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« Topic Start: August 18, 2008, 10:13:46 pm »

I have never come across a "Chaos Coven".  I loosely define myself as a Chaos Magician, and I enjoy group work from time to time.  What's a Chaote to do?  While I can certainly perform Chaos inspired rituals and magic on my own, there are certain activities that just require a group.  For example, it's pretty difficult to perform a multi-part chant in the round by yourself.  So, what do I do?  Personally I've chosen to join and work with more conventionally Pagan groups because that's what exists in my area.  This doesn't conflict with my beliefs, and for the most part it doesn't seem to bother the people I work with.  (The exception being idealogical disagreements.)

So, to my fellow Chaotes, are you willing to work with non-chaos groups, or do you choose to go it alone?

For non-chaotes, does the idea of a Chaos Magician in your circle bother you?  Or do you find it acceptable?







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« Reply #1: August 18, 2008, 10:22:20 pm »

For non-chaotes, does the idea of a Chaos Magician in your circle bother you?  Or do you find it acceptable?

I've worked with Chaos Magicians before without much problem. They just need to share a common goal for the working and be able to work with others -- the same requirements any non-chaote would have to meet.
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« Reply #2: August 19, 2008, 12:37:09 am »


So, to my fellow Chaotes, are you willing to work with non-chaos groups, or do you choose to go it alone?


I have, on the rare occasion, worked with local pagan and/or magickal groups, although they aren't aware that I am a Chaote, which seems to be part of your question.

Generally, I prefer to go it alone, although I'd love to have a magickal partner at times ...
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« Reply #3: August 19, 2008, 03:00:40 am »

I have, on the rare occasion, worked with local pagan and/or magickal groups, although they aren't aware that I am a Chaote, which seems to be part of your question.

Generally, I prefer to go it alone, although I'd love to have a magickal partner at times ...

Did the question of what you believed not come up during these group activities?  I'm just curious as I tend to have some idea of the preferences of those I work with.  It helps me know what to expect from them. 
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« Reply #4: August 19, 2008, 08:14:17 am »

Did the question of what you believed not come up during these group activities?  I'm just curious as I tend to have some idea of the preferences of those I work with.  It helps me know what to expect from them. 

In general, I could care less what people believe in magical work (which is separate from my religion).  As for my religion, it is orthopraxic, so anyone willing to perform the rituals correctly is doing all that is really needed, whether their beliefs are correct isn't generally of much importance.
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« Reply #5: August 19, 2008, 09:01:38 am »

I have never come across a "Chaos Coven".  I loosely define myself as a Chaos Magician, and I enjoy group work from time to time.  What's a Chaote to do?  While I can certainly perform Chaos inspired rituals and magic on my own, there are certain activities that just require a group.  For example, it's pretty difficult to perform a multi-part chant in the round by yourself.  So, what do I do?  Personally I've chosen to join and work with more conventionally Pagan groups because that's what exists in my area.  This doesn't conflict with my beliefs, and for the most part it doesn't seem to bother the people I work with.  (The exception being idealogical disagreements.)


Ok, so I'm not quiet sure I know what Chaos Magic(k) is yet. I've loosely have looked over it from time to time but never have quiet got the grasp of what it is for a person to practice it.

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So, to my fellow Chaotes, are you willing to work with non-chaos groups, or do you choose to go it alone?

For non-chaotes, does the idea of a Chaos Magician in your circle bother you?  Or do you find it acceptable?
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« Reply #6: August 19, 2008, 10:38:35 am »

Did the question of what you believed not come up during these group activities?  I'm just curious as I tend to have some idea of the preferences of those I work with.  It helps me know what to expect from them. 

It's never come up, really.  I have a general understanding of their beliefs, from interacting with them, and I guess they assume I have similar ones.  Which, depending on the day/hour/minute, could indeed be the case Wink

I'm not sure I understand what you might be preparing yourself to "expect" from them, though ?
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« Reply #7: August 19, 2008, 05:24:05 pm »

It's never come up, really.  I have a general understanding of their beliefs, from interacting with them, and I guess they assume I have similar ones.  Which, depending on the day/hour/minute, could indeed be the case Wink

I'm not sure I understand what you might be preparing yourself to "expect" from them, though ?


Well, a person will follow a set of instructions differently depending on their operational belief structure.  A Wiccan and a Rootworker will have very different approaches to preparing candles for example.  If I'm asking someone to cast a circle it helps to know if they will do that as a ceremonial magician or an elementalist.  Basically if assigning parts/responsibilities in a ritual it helps to know the strengths, weaknesses, and preferences of the people I'm assigning them to.  That's what I meant by knowing what to expect. 
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Ok, so I'm not quiet sure I know what Chaos Magic(k) is yet. I've loosely have looked over it from time to time but never have quiet got the grasp of what it is for a person to practice it.

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It's difficult to explain Chaos magic simply, because the practitioners vary so widely.  It does seem to imply a few things tough.  Most Chaos magicians (or Chaotes) see belief as a tool, something to be adopted or discarded depending on usefulness.  Another common thread is that of re-programming the self.  And many Chaotes also practice results focused magic. 
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« Reply #9: August 20, 2008, 12:00:27 am »

It's difficult to explain Chaos magic simply, because the practitioners vary so widely.  It does seem to imply a few things tough.  Most Chaos magicians (or Chaotes) see belief as a tool, something to be adopted or discarded depending on usefulness.  Another common thread is that of re-programming the self.  And many Chaotes also practice results focused magic. 

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« Reply #10: August 20, 2008, 12:40:41 am »

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Pssst, Neri..... http://www.ecauldron.com/chaosmagicprimer.php

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Ok, so I'm not quiet sure I know what Chaos Magic(k) is yet. I've loosely have looked over it from time to time but never have quiet got the grasp of what it is for a person to practice it.

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From the little I've read, and understood about it, the Magician decides what they think will be the most productive way to do a working. They then change their mindset (for lack of better word) so that it reflects that way. Example being, if they think that a Wiccan ritual will be the best for their working, for the duration of said working, they change their beliefs to Wiccan. Once the working is complete, they can change their beliefs to another mindset, knowing that since they believed they were Wiccan while doing the working, it was successful. They may then decide for their next working, Ceremonial Magic would be best, so for that one they would believe themselves to be a Ceremonial Mage, etc. IIRC, most make sure that they have at least an idea of basics of whatever system they are working with.

Please anyone, if I'm completely off base with the above, let me know. As I said, I've just started reading on it. Smiley
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« Reply #12: August 20, 2008, 07:49:38 pm »

From the little I've read, and understood about it, the Magician decides what they think will be the most productive way to do a working. They then change their mindset (for lack of better word) so that it reflects that way. Example being, if they think that a Wiccan ritual will be the best for their working, for the duration of said working, they change their beliefs to Wiccan. Once the working is complete, they can change their beliefs to another mindset, knowing that since they believed they were Wiccan while doing the working, it was successful. They may then decide for their next working, Ceremonial Magic would be best, so for that one they would believe themselves to be a Ceremonial Mage, etc. IIRC, most make sure that they have at least an idea of basics of whatever system they are working with.

Please anyone, if I'm completely off base with the above, let me know. As I said, I've just started reading on it. Smiley

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« Reply #13: August 22, 2008, 01:38:14 pm »

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What is the most confusing part for you?  Is there something in particular that doesn't make sense to you?  Perhaps I could give a better answer if you could narrow down the question a bit for me. 
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« Reply #14: April 12, 2010, 06:03:25 am »

idealogical disagreements

What kind of idealogical disagreements do Chaos Magicians have with other pagans exactly?  just curious...
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