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« Reply #30: August 22, 2008, 07:10:12 am »

I found videos of a live performance they did in Tokyo that sounds somewhat decent (or at least better than they did in Anywhere But Home).  However, I'm not sure if Amy's lip-synching or not on some of these Undecided

Oh, cool.  Thanks--YouTube is blocked at work, but I'll take a peek when I get home.
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« Reply #31: August 22, 2008, 07:16:43 am »

They sound fine in the studio, but after seeing some of their concert footage, I don't know how much of their studio work is actually their own talent and how much is effects-laden "cleanup" from their producer

The thing I keep coming back to there is that I think they sound good even in their early (pre-Fallen) stuff.  Which doesn't mean that a producer isn't still responsible for the good sound, but it does seem (to me, anyway) to indicate that they wouldn't have been in as much of a position to hire some really great producer-person to make them sound wonderful when really they sucked.  It seems like I've also heard some radio-show tracks that wouldn't have had the chance to be cleaned up and still sound pretty good, though I may be wrong about that.

Then again, all that was a while back, and the lineup has changed since then, so it's entirely possible that the amount of production work necessary has too.
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« Reply #32: August 22, 2008, 07:21:46 am »

(or at least better than they did in Anywhere But Home). 

I should add:  I don't think sounding better than they did in Anywhere But Home is a difficult thing.  Honestly, I'd rather just forget it exists.  The sound quality was horrendous, IMHO.  It was like instead of taking the sound feeds from the onstage mics that must have already been set up for the concert and mixing those to get the sound for the CD/DVD, they just stuck a microphone out in the audience and recorded from there.  And then didn't bother with any cleanup at all.  Ugh.
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« Reply #33: August 22, 2008, 09:46:38 am »

The thing I keep coming back to there is that I think they sound good even in their early (pre-Fallen) stuff.  Which doesn't mean that a producer isn't still responsible for the good sound, but it does seem (to me, anyway) to indicate that they wouldn't have been in as much of a position to hire some really great producer-person to make them sound wonderful when really they sucked.  It seems like I've also heard some radio-show tracks that wouldn't have had the chance to be cleaned up and still sound pretty good, though I may be wrong about that.

There is a point.  From the bits I heard of the songs on Origin, they sound pretty good.  And Fallen was done with their first label that probably could AFFORD to clean it up.

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Then again, all that was a while back, and the lineup has changed since then, so it's entirely possible that the amount of production work necessary has too.

Yeah, Amy's the only original member of the band left.  Right now, the band is only Amy and two of the guys and all of them decided to go on hiatus.
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« Reply #34: August 22, 2008, 10:15:48 am »

From the bits I heard of the songs on Origin, they sound pretty good. 

I've just realized, much to my surprise, that I've actually got most of the CD (8 of the 11 tracks according to the listing I'm looking at; I'm missing the title track, the original "My Immortal", and the original "Lies", which I'm told is way different from the "remix" I have).  Speaking as an average listener who doesn't know that much about the technical side of things, it all sounds pretty good to me.  It's not quite as polished as Open Door or even Fallen, maybe, but it still sounds good. 

Again, though, except for Amy Lee this is a different lineup than would have been performing on Open Door or on their latest tour.  (Or even on Closer to Home--wasn't Ben Moody already gone by then?)  So I don't know if things might be different now.

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Exactly, that's what I was trying to say.
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« Reply #35: August 22, 2008, 10:38:15 am »

I've just realized, much to my surprise, that I've actually got most of the CD (8 of the 11 tracks according to the listing I'm looking at; I'm missing the title track, the original "My Immortal", and the original "Lies", which I'm told is way different from the "remix" I have).  Speaking as an average listener who doesn't know that much about the technical side of things, it all sounds pretty good to me.  It's not quite as polished as Open Door or even Fallen, maybe, but it still sounds good. 

I only listened to the songs on Origin (that aren't on Fallen because I'm not sure how/if they were changed and you mostly find those songs sounding as though they werre on Fallen) on Youtube and they do sound good.  Now, I don't know if the band polished them off to sell as mp3s or not.

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Again, though, except for Amy Lee this is a different lineup than would have been performing on Open Door or on their latest tour.  (Or even on Closer to Home--wasn't Ben Moody already gone by then?)  So I don't know if things might be different now.

Ben Moody wasn't in Anywhere But Home, I think he left the band sometime on the Fallen tour before they started on the European leg.
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« Reply #36: August 22, 2008, 10:51:52 am »

I only listened to the songs on Origin (that aren't on Fallen because I'm not sure how/if they were changed and you mostly find those songs sounding as though they werre on Fallen) on Youtube and they do sound good.  Now, I don't know if the band polished them off to sell as mp3s or not.

The copies I have I'm 95% sure haven't been polished off to sell as MP3s.  I acquired them (along with some non-album tracks and some stuff even earlier than Origin--I should add that all this stuff sounds pretty good too) around the time Fallen came out, via a file-sharing service (so chances are someone ripped them from the CD and then posted them).  Which I'm not proud of, and don't do anymore, but I don't feel too bad about keeping them because as far as I'm aware at this point if I bought a copy of the CD it would be secondhand and the band would never see a cent of my money anyway.

Differences in the duplicated songs:  "Whisper" is pretty close to the Fallen version, although there are a few differences here and there.  "Imaginary" is fairly different.  Similar, you can tell it's the same song, but things are in a different order and there are bits in the Origin version that aren't in the Fallen version and so forth.  (As I think I said before, I prefer the Origin version, myself.)  I don't know about "My Immortal"; I've never heard the Origin version of that one, to the best of my knowledge.

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I have no idea why I screwed up the title...  I know better, really.   Embarrassed  I wonder what I was thinking of.
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« Reply #37: August 22, 2008, 10:59:18 am »

"Razor Sharp" by Collide

Ooo, I should add Collide to the list I posted earlier.  Selections include "Crushed", "Ocean", "Violet's Dance", "Wings of Steel", and "Tempted".  I'm also fond of their covers of "Son of a Preacher Man" (which is an... interesting combination to say the least) and "White Rabbit".
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« Reply #38: August 22, 2008, 03:55:03 pm »

They sound fine in the studio, but after seeing some of their concert footage, I don't know how much of their studio work is actually their own talent and how much is effects-laden "cleanup" from their producer (which, naturally, makes me suspect lip-syncing, even if Amy Lee really has worked on improving her pipes since Anywhere But Home).

I saw them live in October 2003, when they first hit big, and she was fantastic. The theatre was tiny, the set was minimal, and she was amazing. I then saw them live last year and once again I thought she was great. *shrug* I just think she has a superb voice.
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« Reply #39: August 22, 2008, 03:56:54 pm »

Ben Moody wasn't in Anywhere But Home, I think he left the band sometime on the Fallen tour before they started on the European leg.

I think he left in October 2003. The concert I was at was the third of their European tour and he wasn't there. I was confused.
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« Reply #40: August 22, 2008, 09:30:23 pm »

Ooo, I should add Collide to the list I posted earlier.  Selections include "Crushed", "Ocean", "Violet's Dance", "Wings of Steel", and "Tempted".  I'm also fond of their covers of "Son of a Preacher Man" (which is an... interesting combination to say the least) and "White Rabbit".

I loooove their cover of "White Rabbit" !  Personally I think it competes with the original, but that's just me.  And "Ocean" and ... yeah. They are one of my favoritest bands.   Grin

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« Reply #41: August 23, 2008, 11:34:34 am »

All-Time Favorites:
Hey!  Songs I've heard of!  Woo hoo!

Thanks Randall, I was starting to feel really out of touch...

My favorites vary depending on mood, but these are some that tend to remain fairly constant:

Stevie Ray Vaughan - "Texas Flood"
Led Zeppelin - "Kashmir"
The Doors - "The End"
Pink Floyd - "Comfortably Numb"
Janis Joplin - "Piece of my Heart"
Jefferson Airplane - "White Rabbit"
The Stones - "Paint it Black"
George Harrison - "My Sweet Lord"
The Clash - "Straight to Hell"
The Damned - "Grimly Fiendish"
U2 - "Salome" or "Van Deimans Land"
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« Reply #42: August 23, 2008, 11:56:20 am »

Hey!  Songs I've heard of!  Woo hoo!

Thanks Randall, I was starting to feel really out of touch...

I like some newer music too, but it takes years of liking to make it onto my all-time favorites list.
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« Reply #43: August 23, 2008, 12:32:34 pm »

I like some newer music too, but it takes years of liking to make it onto my all-time favorites list.
Same here.  Although it seems like these days I don't have the time and energy to put into finding new bands.
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« Reply #44: August 23, 2008, 04:21:10 pm »


Pink Floyd - "Comfortably Numb"

That's my favorite Pink Floyd song too.
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