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« Topic Start: August 22, 2008, 02:38:47 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
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« Reply #1: August 22, 2008, 03:52:52 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
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Hello! /waves/

I believe that casting a circle is a personal thing. If you have something that works, be it a rhyme or a long ritual, than continue using it. Just be respectful.  Smiley

And also, those instructions are more like guidelines and idea sparkers. Have fun with it.  Grin

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« Reply #2: August 22, 2008, 05:17:30 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?

No, it doesn't have to take a long time. However, if you are not experienced in casting circles doing it the long way will increase your chance of doing it correctly. You will be forced to spend more time at it and therefore more concentration and energy.
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« Reply #3: August 22, 2008, 05:37:06 pm »

I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)



I'm a big fan creating your own rituals, prayers, spells, what have you. If you don't have a knack for writing, your creations may not sound quite as good or poetic as the ones you find in a book, but because they're yours, they mean more. Also, if you pick a passage that's too long and can't remember it very well, stumbling over the verse would probably kill the ambiance.


I've never felt much of a need to cast a circle. It was one of those elements of Wicca that I felt didn't really apply to me. Some of the circle chants I've come across, though, are quite beautiful.
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« Reply #4: August 22, 2008, 06:14:35 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?

It's possible to accomplish the whole thing in your head, no rhyme needed. That said, there are some really good reasons to take longer.

1) If you're working with other people, the language and actions help you share the experience, and get into sync with each other. Taking the short-cuts can work if you have people with long experience with each other and the system you're using - but a bunch of the other issues below still apply.

2) Taking your time helps *you* get into the appropriate mindset. There's two parts to this; the part about leaving your mundane worries and concerns behind. There's also the part about preparing mentally for the work you're doing.

If that's magic, you want to take every step you can to help focus your attention on your goal (and you can reinforce that in many many small ways throughout the process of setting up circle.) If you're honoring deities, it's rude, in my opinion, to rush through the process just to save a little time - the deities I've worked with all appreciate attention to detail, carefully chosen phrases or focus of the ritual, etc. It's like getting the house ready for an honoured guest - cleaning is important, but they're also going to notice that you took the time to present the meal nicely, put flowers on the table, and use the nice linens. (Or whatever makes sense for that guest.)

In other words, 'efficiency' and 'saving time' are not generally my own goals when I'm doing stuff. Other stuff is more important to me, and I make choices accordingly.

3) Each time I do the long-form versions, I deepen channels in my brain about what happens next. It gets easier and easier to slide into that ritual mindset, and to start using the heightened attention that comes with it earlier in the ritual process. This makes for more effective workings for me, and frankly, ones I enjoy more. (In other words, doing it this way is more likely to produce significant and meaningful ritual experiences for me.)

4) All those lines of  text? There are circle casts out there where you have 12 lines of "Look, here is a circle now" repeated over and over again. But honestly, most of the ones I've seen that survive over time are far more specific. In both the one for my new coven, and the one I worked with in my former group, each line - each *phrase* of the circle cast text has a specific and distinct purpose. They can't just be condensed into "Look, circle now!" any more than a symphony can be reduced to its first theme.

You may get an effective circle, and you may get a nice melody - but those things aren't totally equal to or interchangable with the longer process.

5) There's the emotion part.

Frankly, if I'm not willing to spend 10 minutes in preparation, and 20 minutes or so in set-up, that's probably a good sign to me that either I *need* to be thinking much more about what I'm doing (i.e. I'm acting in the heat of a strong emotion, and possibly making some poor choices) or it's a sign I don't really care about that outcome. I've learned to be aware of why I'm seeking an 'easier' or 'faster' solution, and to ask very carefully what I gain by doing that, and what I lose. Often, I realise I'd lose a lot more than I'd gain.
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« Reply #5: August 22, 2008, 09:33:18 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
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i find the quickest way to cast a circle is to use the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram, although this is qabalistic and may not suit the path you have chosen.
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« Reply #6: August 23, 2008, 12:59:56 am »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
Thanks!
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I've heard some shorter versions for casting circles, however I think the longer ones help you visualize and give you more time to focus the energy for the circle.  Than again if you're more adept at focusing and all, maybe you don't need a longer ritual.

Also I think it's something you don't want to rush in casting, those circles are important Smiley
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« Reply #7: August 23, 2008, 02:15:55 am »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
Thanks!
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For me it's more about visualization that words and rituals.  If I can't "see" it, then it isn't there, no matter what words I said or tools I waved around.  What you do and how long it takes aren't that important.  It's about learning to really feel the circle, you need to know it's real.  Otherwise what's the point?
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« Reply #8: August 23, 2008, 07:57:58 am »

Also I think it's something you don't want to rush in casting, those circles are important Smiley

In magic, how important they are depends on the magic system in use. Many systems do not use magic circles much at all.
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« Reply #9: August 24, 2008, 08:51:33 pm »

i only really know one way and it's pretty short but i would love to hear about some different ones to try! thanx
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« Reply #10: August 25, 2008, 01:22:22 am »

i only really know one way and it's pretty short but i would love to hear about some different ones to try! thanx

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« Reply #11: August 28, 2008, 06:30:53 pm »

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could you please remember to leave the quote code in?

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sorry, but that's pretty well the only way i know how to post if i don't want to quote anyone, so i just click on "quote", delete the quote, and then write what i want.
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« Reply #12: August 28, 2008, 08:54:21 pm »

sorry, but that's pretty well the only way i know how to post if i don't want to quote anyone, so i just click on "quote", delete the quote, and then write what i want.

Just delete the text between the quote BBCode tags and write your post below them. The links those autogenerated Quote BBcodes provide are required here.

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sorry, but that's pretty well the only way i know how to post if i don't want to quote anyone, so i just click on "quote", delete the quote, and then write what i want.
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Just delete the text leaving this:

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« Reply #13: August 28, 2008, 09:27:58 pm »

I've read a few instructions on how to cast a circle (and there are many out there!), however they all tend to be really long... My question is this: Does casting a circle have to take a long time? I mean, it's one of the most basic things out there. Why should it be really long? I understand that it's the process of "building a temple," however, is it not possible to accomplish the same with a short little rhyme?
 I was walking home from school one day and one just came to me... I'll share if anybody wants me to, but it's kind of personalized ('cause it came to me, right?)
Thanks!
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For me it depends on what I am doing. When outdoors it takes me awhile because the circle can be fairly large, but "walking the circle" is part of the whole ritual. Indoors and I am a total cheater! I use an imprinted cloth (Oh, the shame!  Cheesy)
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« Reply #14: August 29, 2008, 03:18:53 pm »

Thanks to everybody for answering... I think that I'll begin with a longer way to cast a circle, at least until I'm more experienced...

Also, is it okay to leave a circle, instead of re erecting one every time? I was just wondering why people take down the circle and build a new one for every ritual. You'd think that if you keep one circle, it would increasingly gather energy the more often you work in it, and therefore, your spells would become more effective/potent.... right?
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