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« Reply #30: April 11, 2007, 03:30:20 pm »

I like the idea a lot. Smiley The thing is, is it something which is too long and would scare seekers away from your path? I mean, I believe that it is absolutely necessary to need to be patient and dedicate a lot of time into any path you are on. I mean, if three years is too long, how do you expect to stay on the path for the rest of your life?? But a nine year seeker's course seems a little extreme.

I think a lot of people would feel like they aren't getting anywhere if they have to be with the religion for nine years before becoming "full members". Perhaps each three year "set" should be a milestone, like a "step" so that members have a sense of accomplishment before they get to the nine year mark.

Well, you do have to remember that the Druids were 20 years in the making (not that I'm comparing my religion to druidry), but I agree that this system would need "milestone" markers, just to keep the ball rollin'.  I think more than anything, this sort of "initiation" is really only for me--I'm not sure if anyone else would really benefit from it as I do, certainly not in the same way.  If I ever did get followers (which is about as likely as I am going to win the lottery [and seeing that I don't even buy tickets, that would be a feat]), I don't think they would undergo an initation like I am doing.  They would probably get something simpler, or be told to create something more complicated if they like, with symbols and stories that are significant to them. 

I guess it's kind of like the Buddha becoming enlightened--followers of him undergo rigourous training to reach Nirvana, but nothing like what he experienced--near starvation, years of wandering, fasting, extremely difficult training.  Or like in Christianity--humans are supposed to "carry their own cross", but the whole point is that Jesus was crucified so that the rest of us wouldn't have to.

Again, not that I'm comparing myself to Buddha.  Or Jesus.  Hell no.  Shocked   LOL.


So basically, I have no idea if this is right for my path.  It grows, changes, evolves, gets struck down all the time.  It's an adventure, and I'm getting used to Brigid stepping in and saying, "You're getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?"  Still, I'm learning all the time, and I can't ask for more than that.
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« Reply #31: April 11, 2007, 10:22:15 pm »

Well, you do have to remember that the Druids were 20 years in the making (not that I'm comparing my religion to druidry), but I agree that this system would need "milestone" markers, just to keep the ball rollin'.  I think more than anything, this sort of "initiation" is really only for me--I'm not sure if anyone else would really benefit from it as I do, certainly not in the same way.  If I ever did get followers (which is about as likely as I am going to win the lottery [and seeing that I don't even buy tickets, that would be a feat]), I don't think they would undergo an initation like I am doing.  They would probably get something simpler, or be told to create something more complicated if they like, with symbols and stories that are significant to them. 

I guess it's kind of like the Buddha becoming enlightened--followers of him undergo rigourous training to reach Nirvana, but nothing like what he experienced--near starvation, years of wandering, fasting, extremely difficult training.  Or like in Christianity--humans are supposed to "carry their own cross", but the whole point is that Jesus was crucified so that the rest of us wouldn't have to.

Again, not that I'm comparing myself to Buddha.  Or Jesus.  Hell no.  Shocked   LOL.


So basically, I have no idea if this is right for my path.  It grows, changes, evolves, gets struck down all the time.  It's an adventure, and I'm getting used to Brigid stepping in and saying, "You're getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?"  Still, I'm learning all the time, and I can't ask for more than that.

Yea, I forgot about Druidry. However modern people are more "rush rush" than the ancients. I think that is a bad thing, which we should try to move away from, but when it comes down to it not many would be willing to agree with me to the point of actually moving away from it themselves. Tongue

I agree that each individual should have their own initiation. I think that there should be guidelines within a particular path, but that each should have an initiation that is designed to be personal to them, as well as relavent to the path. Smiley
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« Reply #32: April 12, 2007, 07:25:27 am »

Well, you do have to remember that the Druids were 20 years in the making (not that I'm comparing my religion to druidry), but I agree that this system would need "milestone" markers, just to keep the ball rollin'.  I think more than anything, this sort of "initiation" is really only for me--I'm not sure if anyone else would really benefit from it as I do, certainly not in the same way.  If I ever did get followers (which is about as likely as I am going to win the lottery [and seeing that I don't even buy tickets, that would be a feat]), I don't think they would undergo an initation like I am doing.  They would probably get something simpler, or be told to create something more complicated if they like, with symbols and stories that are significant to them. 

I guess it's kind of like the Buddha becoming enlightened--followers of him undergo rigourous training to reach Nirvana, but nothing like what he experienced--near starvation, years of wandering, fasting, extremely difficult training.  Or like in Christianity--humans are supposed to "carry their own cross", but the whole point is that Jesus was crucified so that the rest of us wouldn't have to.

Again, not that I'm comparing myself to Buddha.  Or Jesus.  Hell no.  Shocked   LOL.


So basically, I have no idea if this is right for my path.  It grows, changes, evolves, gets struck down all the time.  It's an adventure, and I'm getting used to Brigid stepping in and saying, "You're getting a little ahead of yourself, aren't you?"  Still, I'm learning all the time, and I can't ask for more than that.

I think the difference is the difference between a religion and a priest, though.

in Druid times, EVERYONE was laity.  20 yrs was to become priest/elder/guide/whatnot.  And if you look at our education system .. we're in formal education for longer than that to become a priest, certainly.  or a PhD.  Or whatever.

One thing I don't see a lot of people addressing .. is there a laity?  Is there even ROOM for a laity?
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« Reply #33: April 12, 2007, 10:59:36 am »

One thing I don't see a lot of people addressing .. is there a laity?  Is there even ROOM for a laity?

Since I'm the only one on my path currently, no. If there were more members...I don't know. A big part of my belief (in fact what this all is built on) is that EVERYONE can communicate and have a relationship with the gods. So there is no need for an intermediary clergy. You don't need to have a priest intercede for you, because you can do it yourself.

However there is a need for a teacher, and for a leader in group rituals and such. In that sense there would have to be a heirarchy of some sort, "elders" though not necessarily priests. I like to think of it as a tribal elder or shamen, training the younger ones and leading their rituals but not acting as an intermediary. I don't like the idea that only a priest can commune with god(s) and everyone else is out of their heads. I want any "clergy" to help others to develop relationships with god(s) as well.
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