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« Reply #45: August 29, 2008, 01:30:35 pm »

the odds of winning are against people, but they still manage to win!"

The vast majority of people do not win.  Sometimes one or two, out of *huge* numbers win big time, and a handful win minor prizes.  Someone, somewhere, will often win.  The fact remains that it probably won't be you.
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« Reply #46: August 29, 2008, 04:13:07 pm »

The vast majority of people do not win.  Sometimes one or two, out of *huge* numbers win big time, and a handful win minor prizes.  Someone, somewhere, will often win.  The fact remains that it probably won't be you.

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you are not God@! You don't know who will win, and who will not!  There have been a few large prize winners in my neighborhood alone and in the city.

If you don't want to buy a ticket then don't, but keep your non support to yourself!

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« Reply #47: August 29, 2008, 04:25:21 pm »

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you are not God@! You don't know who will win, and who will not!  There have been a few large prize winners in my neighborhood alone and in the city.

If you don't want to buy a ticket then don't, but keep your non support to yourself!

It wasn't a declaration that you wouldn't win - just a declaration that the odds are astronomically stacked against you.  It's somewhat like gambling in a casino where you KNOW the house cheats 99.999% of the time, but you also know that they'll occasionally let a big payoff through and throw a party for the "lucky" winner.  The party keeps the winner gambling, and the winner's big payout convinces all the other poor saps who are gambling themselves broke to keep gambling in the hopes that they'll get to be that .001%.
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« Reply #48: August 29, 2008, 04:48:29 pm »

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you are not God@! You don't know who will win, and who will not!  There have been a few large prize winners in my neighborhood alone and in the city.

If you don't want to buy a ticket then don't, but keep your non support to yourself!

Good day Roll Eyes

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« Reply #49: August 29, 2008, 06:39:01 pm »

EverFool,
you are not God@! You don't know who will win, and who will not!  There have been a few large prize winners in my neighborhood alone and in the city.

If you don't want to buy a ticket then don't, but keep your non support to yourself!

Good day Roll Eyes

if the odds are 1 in 20000 to win, tell me, what are your odds to win?  It's the number's odds to win that determine the odds of the person who choses that number.  Doesn't matter where they are, who they are, or how many times they choose that number, it is still 1 in 20000 (assuming that in that game, matching all the numbers is a 1 in 20000 chance and not a different number, and the odds on the tickets are pretty accurate.)  Doesn't matter how many people choose those numbers, those numbers have a 1 in 20000 chance of matching the winning combination.  So your particular choice of numbers has a 1 in 20000 chance of matching the winning combination.  It is likely someone will win, but it is very unlikely that any particular person will win.  Yes, someone will win, with the number of people playing, it is quite possible that every combination of numbers will be chosen by someone, in which case it is a 100 percent chance that someone will win the money, but the chance of it being Aunt Mary or you or my fatherinlaw, is still only 1 in 20000.  You can increase your chances of winning a lottery numbers game by choosing several tickets with several different number combinations on them, but it will cost you that much more.  If you were to spend enough money to buy one ticket with every possible number combination, then you would be guaranteed to win, but you would probably spend more that the giant prize doing so, since the prices are set to guarantee that the house makes a profit.
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« Reply #50: August 29, 2008, 07:40:15 pm »

if the odds are 1 in 20000 to win, tell me, what are your odds to win?  It's the number's odds to win that determine the odds of the person who choses that number.  Doesn't matter where they are, who they are, or how many times they choose that number, it is still 1 in 20000 (assuming that in that game, matching all the numbers is a 1 in 20000 chance and not a different number, and the odds on the tickets are pretty accurate.)  Doesn't matter how many people choose those numbers, those numbers have a 1 in 20000 chance of matching the winning combination.  So your particular choice of numbers has a 1 in 20000 chance of matching the winning combination.  It is likely someone will win, but it is very unlikely that any particular person will win.  Yes, someone will win, with the number of people playing, it is quite possible that every combination of numbers will be chosen by someone, in which case it is a 100 percent chance that someone will win the money, but the chance of it being Aunt Mary or you or my fatherinlaw, is still only 1 in 20000.  You can increase your chances of winning a lottery numbers game by choosing several tickets with several different number combinations on them, but it will cost you that much more.  If you were to spend enough money to buy one ticket with every possible number combination, then you would be guaranteed to win, but you would probably spend more that the giant prize doing so, since the prices are set to guarantee that the house makes a profit.


When one of the lotteries first started my parents won $1000.00, they encouraged me to buy tickets, while budgeting at the same time. and so I do, I have won many, many small prizes but not a large prize.

I may or may not win a large prize, but the odds still don't deter me...

This is  not about the lottery but beating the odds , despite what others say!

 Example: Donald Trump, a multimillionaire businessman, said on television that when he wanted to invest in real estate, acquaintances and friends told him it wouldn't be successful, for instance that Trump Towers  and other ventures  ::)would never happen.
Well he proved negative people wrong and became quite a successful businessman, despite the odds!

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« Reply #51: August 29, 2008, 07:50:50 pm »


When one of the lotteries first started my parents won $1000.00, they encouraged me to buy tickets, while budgeting at the same time. and so I do, I have won many, many small prizes but not a large prize.

I may or may not win a large prize, but the odds still don't deter me...

This is  not about the lottery but beating the odds , despite what others say!

 Example: Donald Trump, a multimillionaire businessman, said on television that when he wanted to invest in real estate, acquaintances and friends told him it wouldn't be successful, for instance that Trump Towers  and other ventures  ::)would never happen.
Well he proved negative people wrong and became quite a successful businessman, despite the odds!



I really don't think you can consider lottery tickets an investment, IMHO.
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« Reply #52: August 29, 2008, 07:52:35 pm »

This is  not about the lottery but beating the odds , despite what others say!

 Example: Donald Trump, a multimillionaire businessman, said on television that when he wanted to invest in real estate, acquaintances and friends told him it wouldn't be successful, for instance that Trump Towers  and other ventures  ::)would never happen.
Well he proved negative people wrong and became quite a successful businessman, despite the odds!

That's apples and oranges though - you're comparing something where you have very little input in the process (except for buying a ticket and picking numbers) versus something which has a bunch of risks - but where you have a lot of control over the entire process. (Not total control - there are issues like markets, permits, weather, and all sorts of other things - but you get to set the focus, the business plan, and so on.

You also get to decide what it's worth to you to focus entirely on the business, working 80+ hour weeks to give yourself the best odds of success. With the lottery ticket? Not so much.

Now, I do buy a lottery ticket occasionally (on the order of one or two a year, maybe), because I like the idea of giving the universe a chance like that. Our state lottery not only pays for itself, but also dumps a fair bit of money into natural resources preservation. But I don't think it's anything like the risks and control that I have in other areas of my life - whether that's career, relationships, or things like becoming a traditionally published author. I can do a whole lot more to influence those things than I can the lottery.
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« Reply #53: August 29, 2008, 09:07:18 pm »

When one of the lotteries first started my parents won $1000.00, they encouraged me to buy tickets, while budgeting at the same time. and so I do, I have won many, many small prizes but not a large prize.

Have you won as much as you've spent?
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« Reply #54: August 29, 2008, 11:06:21 pm »

Example: Donald Trump, a multimillionaire businessman, said on television that when he wanted to invest in real estate, acquaintances and friends told him it wouldn't be successful, for instance that Trump Towers  and other ventures  ::)would never happen.
Well he proved negative people wrong and became quite a successful businessman, despite the odds!

Nothing personal, but I really don't think comparing Trump and his real estate investments are anywhere near the same thing as a lottery ticket.

No one can tell you you're wasting your money. Hell, maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones. But, it is undeniable that for the vast, vast number of people who buy lottery tickets, it's a waste of money. The odds of being struck by lightening are, IIRC, lower than winning a large lottery. The more people who buy tickets, the bigger the pot and the less likely a person will have the number.
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« Reply #55: August 30, 2008, 05:38:29 am »

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you are not God@!

Neither are you, nor are you Donald Trump managing real estate.  You also apparently don't understand how probability works.

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Statistical clumping happens in random events.  Because they are *random*, they aren't smoothed out equally over the entire range.  The fact that clumping has occurred at random in your location, does not make you *more* likely to win the lottery.  Your odds are exactly the same as everyone else who has bought the same number of tickets as you.

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Why, do you only want to hear from people telling you that playing the lottery is a great idea?  Or will my pointing out the probabilities somehow make you *less* likely to win the lottery?
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« Reply #56: August 30, 2008, 10:20:17 am »

Neither are you, nor are you Donald Trump managing real estate.  You also apparently don't understand how probability works.

Statistical clumping happens in random events.  Because they are *random*, they aren't smoothed out equally over the entire range.  The fact that clumping has occurred at random in your location, does not make you *more* likely to win the lottery.  Your odds are exactly the same as everyone else who has bought the same number of tickets as you.

Why, do you only want to hear from people telling you that playing the lottery is a great idea?  Or will my pointing out the probabilities somehow make you *less* likely to win the lottery?

The lottery is an investment, a person spends money to get money in return. Whether you agree with it or not,!

You can disagree with me, that is up to you!

If you don't want to spend any money on a lottery ticket, that is your business! If someone has the desire to purchase a ticket that is their own business!

You don't have to agree with it.. It is not hurting you any. We all have our opinions, don't we?


We can agree to disagree! How does that sound? Huh


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« Reply #57: August 30, 2008, 10:29:12 am »

The lottery is an investment, a person spends money to get money in return. Whether you agree with it or not,!

Did you win enough money to cover the amount you spent on the tickets?
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« Reply #58: August 30, 2008, 10:51:37 am »

The lottery is an investment, a person spends money to get money in return. Whether you agree with it or not,!

Well, actually it's a gamble.  Investment suggests an outlay of money with an expectation of profit.  With huge odds against you, I would argue that expectation of profit is not realistic.  If you want to buy lottery tickets in case?  On the off chance?  Fine.  But that isn't a sensible investment.

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I'm glad you gave me permission.  I don't know what I'd have done otherwise.

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If you don't want to spend any money on a lottery ticket, that is your business! If someone has the desire to purchase a ticket that is their own business!

Please point out where I told you not to buy a ticket.  In fact, I haven't even recommend against buying a ticket.  I'm just pointing out that in terms of probability, it isn't likely that you'll win.  You might, but that's probability.  Incidentally, I suspect the 1 in 200, 000 chance being cited is actually *optimistic.*  If it's anything like the lottery we have here in the UK, the probability may well be 1 in multiple millions or so.

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Yes, but my opinion is based on probability, and yours is based on the belief that gambling is an investment.

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I personally find the line 'agree to disagree' to be a pretty weak line.  I've never heard it trotted out when I debated with someone whose argument I respected whilst disagreeing with.

The riposte I always long to respond with is 'no we can't agree, you're wrong.'  That's rather strongly stated for my usual tastes, but if it's ever an appropriate phrase for an argument, than it's appropriate here.
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« Reply #59: August 30, 2008, 11:18:14 am »

The lottery is an investment, a person spends money to get money in return. Whether you agree with it or not,!

It's not an investment; it's a GAMBLE, and like gambling, the house always wins.

An investment is where you purchase something with long-term value in the hopes that value will increase -- a home, some stock, a deposit account, grain options, etc. The lottery provides you no asset -- merely a ticket whose value becomes nil a few days after you buy it. Even Pokemon cards retain value and may increase. A lottery ticket will not. It is merely a gambling stub.

The state doesn't run lotteries as a favor to its citizens; the state runs them -- and keeps a monopoly on them -- IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY. I appreciate you paying more than your share of taxes, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's an investment.
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