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« Topic Start: August 30, 2008, 05:50:00 pm »

Spiritual Effects Of Hallucinogens Persist, Researchers Report

ScienceDaily (July 2, 2008) In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects appear to last more than a year.

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« Reply #1: August 30, 2008, 07:19:03 pm »

Spiritual Effects Of Hallucinogens Persist, Researchers Report

ScienceDaily (July 2, 2008) In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects appear to last more than a year.

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« Reply #2: August 30, 2008, 07:32:53 pm »

Spiritual Effects Of Hallucinogens Persist, Researchers Report

ScienceDaily (July 2, 2008) In a follow-up to research showing that psilocybin, a substance contained in "sacred mushrooms," produces substantial spiritual effects, a Johns Hopkins team reports that those beneficial effects appear to last more than a year.

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I think anyone who's actually done them can testify to this, although seeing it in a scientific study is nice.  Wink
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« Reply #3: August 30, 2008, 09:01:54 pm »

I think anyone who's actually done them can testify to this, although seeing it in a scientific study is nice.  Wink

Yes, that was mostly the point of the post. Given the strong influence that science has on legislatures, I see it as a step in the right direction (albeit on a very slow journey). I also thought it relevant to TC, as we have had previous conversations that included numerous outright denials of the potential role of entheogens in 'genuine' spirituality.
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« Reply #4: August 30, 2008, 11:30:43 pm »

I also thought it relevant to TC, as we have had previous conversations that included numerous outright denials of the potential role of entheogens in 'genuine' spirituality.

that's true, but I don 't think the negative effects of *habitually using drugs of any kind for spiritual or any other purposes can really be overemphasized. I have known too many people who really thought they were justified in ruining their lives and/or the lives of others with their "sacred" drug use. If you are getting high all the time and you're still not one with Shiva, or whoever, chances are strong you're not doing much of anything else either.
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« Reply #5: August 30, 2008, 11:56:02 pm »

that's true, but I don 't think the negative effects of *habitually using drugs of any kind for spiritual or any other purposes can really be overemphasized.

You certainly won't get any argument from me there, although I would probably present the issue in terms of the negative effects of inappropriately overusing any technique. I have seen lives 'destroyed' by excessive church attendance, dogmatic insistence on opinion, overwork and o'erweening self esteem.

Thing is, I have sometimes found that the emphasis on excess and inappropriateness can get lost in an unthinking 'drugs are bad' message. I'm really not sure that this helps anyone. It particularly concerns me in contexts where a previously-inexperienced individual tries an entheogen and finds that it isn't 'bad' in any way that they can immediately identify. That can lead to a disregard for judicious practice and an abusive pattern of use at least as easily as an unthinking 'drugs are fine' message can.
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« Reply #6: August 31, 2008, 11:01:16 am »

Thing is, I have sometimes found that the emphasis on excess and inappropriateness can get lost in an unthinking 'drugs are bad' message. I'm really not sure that this helps anyone. It particularly concerns me in contexts where a previously-inexperienced individual tries an entheogen and finds that it isn't 'bad' in any way that they can immediately identify. That can lead to a disregard for judicious practice and an abusive pattern of use at least as easily as an unthinking 'drugs are fine' message can.

I agree, but it can be a fine line b/w the two modes of use-that's how addiction overwhelms people. The most effective protection against that is plain old education about any substance before you try it, ime, and using critical thinking about what you put in your body, for whatever reason, instead of relying on someone else's good/bad paradigm.
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Goddess grant me:
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  The power of Fire,
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  The power of Air,
  for the ability and wisdom to know the difference.

  And the power of Earth,
  for the strength to continue my path.

http://rosejayadal.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #7: August 31, 2008, 04:20:55 pm »

I agree, but it can be a fine line b/w the two modes of use-that's how addiction overwhelms people.

Yes, it's sort of lucky that the entheogens generally are non-addictive, unlike amphetamines and opiates. Addiction is a savage beast and can creep up on even the most educated of users of some substances Sad
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