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« Topic Start: April 11, 2007, 07:36:15 am »

hi there,
i suppose this should really be in the Chaos Magick section, but for some reason i cant post in there so this will have to do. basically, after reading a kind of primer on Red and Black magick, i realised that Red Magic would be a very interesting topic to study, and, if appropriately used, could be quite useful. i was just wondering, are there any sites/ books that can teach me about red magic? sites would be preferred, but books would be good too. thanks!
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« Reply #1: April 11, 2007, 08:22:37 am »

i was just wondering, are there any sites/ books that can teach me about red magic? sites would be preferred, but books would be good too. thanks!

How are you defining Red Magic? I've seen a number of different definitions over the years.
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« Reply #2: April 11, 2007, 08:38:27 am »

hi there,
i suppose this should really be in the Chaos Magick section, but for some reason i cant post in there so this will have to do.

Have a look at this thread for information on why you can't post in certain sections:
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=45.0
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« Reply #3: April 11, 2007, 09:33:39 am »

hi there,
i suppose this should really be in the Chaos Magick section, but for some reason i cant post in there so this will have to do. basically, after reading a kind of primer on Red and Black magick, i realised that Red Magic would be a very interesting topic to study, and, if appropriately used, could be quite useful. i was just wondering, are there any sites/ books that can teach me about red magic? sites would be preferred, but books would be good too. thanks!


I'm guessing you're talking about Mars/war themed magic, assuming you're using the same definition as Carroll. Smiley  If you haven't read it, Liber Kaos contains some stuff on the subject (thats where Carroll decides to use various colour themed dscriptions of magic), but it's a fairly superficial book.  Plus it's *all* available online.  If you haven't visited Chaos Matrix yet, that's worth doing.

Other than that, I'd recommend reading widely.  Anything that gives you inspiration might be an interesting start for an experiment.

Is there anything you've used 'red magic' for previously, or any areas you were planning to begin experimentation?
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« Reply #4: April 11, 2007, 04:28:17 pm »

yes, i was defining Red magick as War magic. sorry, i should have cleared that up

i havent used it before, but i felt that it would be useful to know more about it, as the techniques behind the magic could be very useful in other areas. basically, i just need the basic ideas, and i could experiment with them to get it right. thanks!
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« Reply #5: April 11, 2007, 08:32:34 pm »

As I recall red magic has a lot to with vitality and intimidation - getting people to think you're tough and yet hopefully never having to actually get down to combat, although being good at combat is another component. (I'm sure Everfool will correct me if I'm wrong on that, but that's what I seem to remember about it.) So you could probably play with glamours and see which ones get people to pee their pants when you approach and which simply get you beaten up.

Alternately, you could probably think of some interesting ways to incorporate red magic into martial arts training ro some other form of physical fighting, no?

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« Reply #6: April 12, 2007, 03:44:26 am »

As I recall red magic has a lot to with vitality and intimidation - getting people to think you're tough and yet hopefully never having to actually get down to combat, although being good at combat is another component. (I'm sure Everfool will correct me if I'm wrong on that, but that's what I seem to remember about it.) So you could probably play with glamours and see which ones get people to pee their pants when you approach and which simply get you beaten up.

Alternately, you could probably think of some interesting ways to incorporate red magic into martial arts training ro some other form of physical fighting, no?

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I'm actually going to have to hit my books when I have some free time.  I've never deliberately engaged in red magic, but I might have done it on accident.  (hence checking the books).
As for combining magic with fighting, speaking as someone who does minimal training with chi at karate, it apparently takes decades of training to become effective at using chi.  So I'd focus *first* on the martial aspect.  Incidentally that does have an impact - I'm less frightened of the prospect of violence when I'm out these days, so it is worth doing. Smiley
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« Reply #7: April 12, 2007, 12:25:41 pm »

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So I'd focus *first* on the martial aspect

Oh yeah, totally agreed. I have NO martial arts training, but my father and godfather are like, old ninja-y guys, and they have stressed mastering the physical before the chi. (I feel like a tool for not mentioning that, actually.)

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« Reply #8: April 13, 2007, 06:35:22 am »

Oh yeah, totally agreed. I have NO martial arts training, but my father and godfather are like, old ninja-y guys, and they have stressed mastering the physical before the chi. (I feel like a tool for not mentioning that, actually.)

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Personally Ive done stuff with chi, and I'm *still* a skeptic. Smiley  The physical side is a lot more useful in combat than chi.  Anyone I've heard of doing anything impressive with chi has generally been practising for 30 or so years.
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« Reply #9: April 14, 2007, 03:34:21 pm »

My godfather is also very into martial arts, and I remember sitting at dinner with him and my dad while they discussed that very fact, actually.

Godfather: Yeah, this guy could throw a man across the room without touching him--

N: COOL! I'd do that all the time if I could--

Dad: The guy was also 95 years old, dear.

N: ... Oh.

Godfather: And had been practising for 80. *then starts lecturing on how throwing-people-across-the-room-with-your-ZOMG-powerz! is not the point*

N: *shuts up and eats her pita bread*
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« Reply #10: April 16, 2007, 09:35:06 pm »

If you haven't visited Chaos Matrix yet, that's worth doing.

Chaos Matrix (more accurately Fenwick) had a section on occult swordplay on the old site.  That stuff didn't come to the new site, but in the period when he was completely down, I found an archived version.  House Dreamblade is/was his tradition of occult swordplay.
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