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Author Topic: Fictional Characters in Religion and Magic.  (Read 29215 times)
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« Reply #15: September 03, 2008, 09:49:21 pm »

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The Sandman series is something that deserves to have time made for it.  I'm a comic geek who wastes too much time reading too many comics, but even for me it was something completely other, and it was inescapably mesmerizing.

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I tend to read regular books over comic books which is odd because there are currently five webcomics in my bookmarks.
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« Reply #16: September 03, 2008, 09:54:00 pm »

I tend to read regular books over comic books which is odd because there are currently five webcomics in my bookmarks.

I tend to read everything I can get my hands on Cheesy.

Only 5, though?  I've got 21 I check regularly.

*looks around for the puppies*
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« Reply #17: September 03, 2008, 10:02:23 pm »

I tend to read everything I can get my hands on Cheesy.

Only 5, though?  I've got 21 I check regularly.

There are others that I think look interesting, but don't have time for.  Out of the five in my bookmarks: one has ended years ago and only read it if the mood hits me, one is on hiatus and another (along with a sixth that isn't in my bookmarks) is completely unpredictable in its updates.

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Not puppies.  Think Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.

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« Reply #18: September 03, 2008, 10:10:04 pm »

Not puppies.  Think Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.

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My wife had a very large, very protective Boxer when we first started dating.  Dogs don't scare me much, anymore Cheesy

Rabibits, though...that's another story, ever since Monty Python showed me that there were...abnormal rabbits in the world Grin
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« Reply #19: September 03, 2008, 11:23:47 pm »

Well, you're talking to someone who thinks Jungian archetypes are bullshit nothing more than pop psychology that shouldn't be taken seriously Wink

But it works for some people.  And if it works its worth a try. 
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« Reply #20: September 03, 2008, 11:25:50 pm »

Well I made up my own personifications for certain things (e.g. 'Wisdom'). Not sure if you could call it a 'religion' since it's strictly keyed to my preferences (and draws power from being very personal, I think).

Can you elaborate a little bit?  Like, exactly what do you mean by personifications?
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« Reply #21: September 03, 2008, 11:27:45 pm »

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I tend to read regular books over comic books which is odd because there are currently five webcomics in my bookmarks.

It's not really like reading a comic book.  It's more like a visual translation of a Neil Gaiman novel.
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« Reply #22: September 03, 2008, 11:31:44 pm »

Can you elaborate a little bit?  Like, exactly what do you mean by personifications?

Not treekisser, but I would imagine personifications would be somewhat like Gaiman's Endless.  Dream, and the like.  Rather than having a character or god(dess) of wisdom, you have an archetypal persona you have created for yourself.
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« Reply #23: September 04, 2008, 02:58:01 am »

Not treekisser, but I would imagine personifications would be somewhat like Gaiman's Endless.  Dream, and the like.  Rather than having a character or god(dess) of wisdom, you have an archetypal persona you have created for yourself.

Yes, but honestly, if you go back far enough, the ideas we have of deities, likely started out like this.  One person's ideas as to how/what/who the gods are/were.  They likely started out as stories told by one person, which made some sort of sense to the people, and they stuck.  Or rather the myths likely started out this way.
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« Reply #24: September 04, 2008, 10:35:10 am »

Well, you're talking to someone who thinks Jungian archetypes are bullshit nothing more than pop psychology that shouldn't be taken seriously Wink
Many people believe that there are no other gods but one and that these archtypes are a way to focus the energy style so to speak that they need specifically, why not glinda from the wizard of oz?  this character is pure fiction but none the less a major staple in many people's lives and takes on a life of it's own to those that idealize/idolize her.  now wicked witch, that's a-whole-nother level, we know how much she has influenced the world.  and dorothy, the witch who wasn't.
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« Reply #25: September 04, 2008, 10:49:50 am »

  now wicked witch, that's a-whole-nother level, we know how much she has influenced the world.

I can see howpresent in pop-culture etc the wicked witch is, I'm not sure how much *influence* the character has had on the *world.*
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« Reply #26: September 04, 2008, 11:35:32 am »

Not treekisser, but I would imagine personifications would be somewhat like Gaiman's Endless.  Dream, and the like.  Rather than having a character or god(dess) of wisdom, you have an archetypal persona you have created for yourself.

Mmmm sort of except as I understand it archetypes are universal 'instincts'/'forms' postulated by Jung, which we can't directly perceive but find manifest in various personifications (e.g. Odin, Zeus, other father-types).

Rather than universal, I think of my personifications as specifically keyed to me. Part universal-force, yes, but part me, based on my reaction to a particular universal force rather than an 'undiluted' form of it. So e.g. my own father-type personification wouldn't be some generic Allfather force or deity, but based on the way I interact with father types.
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« Reply #27: September 04, 2008, 04:29:25 pm »

I can see howpresent in pop-culture etc the wicked witch is, I'm not sure how much *influence* the character has had on the *world.*
Pop culture it may be, but that encompasses a large part of the *world*.  And maybe *world* was not the best word to describe my conceptual point that there are many people out there who relate to that character, maybe or maybe not the evil, but the angst and hate, and I've met a few.  I've also met a few too many Glinda as fluffy bunny numero uno who feel as if the world is one yellow brick road.  I personally am somewhere in between, but that doesn't make it any less relevant.  And besides it's just one example.  I've also met World of Warcraft players (and old school D&D) who relate thier online persona to real life.  And these people aren't stereotypes sitting at home delusional afraid of the real world.  These are working folks who feel these characters mirror themselves.  They still have jobs and lives and children, but a thousand years from now,(my original point) people may find WoW or D&D paraphanelia and assume erroniously that these were gods to us.  And why couldn't they be.  Not all of the world believes the greek pantheon really existed as living breathing powerful beings.  Nor does all the world believe Ganesh was an actual elephant.  The point is there is no proof of these ancient ones, so who's to say that in the future, the evidence won't point to two opposing goddesses, and the rogue who killed the one with magickal slippers.
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« Reply #28: September 04, 2008, 06:28:17 pm »

  They still have jobs and lives and children, but a thousand years from now,(my original point) people may find WoW or D&D paraphanelia and assume erroniously that these were gods to us. 

I think anyone in the future finding D&D and/or WoW leftovers, etc., will be smart enough to figure out that they are/were games.
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« Reply #29: September 04, 2008, 07:11:03 pm »

I think anyone in the future finding D&D and/or WoW leftovers, etc., will be smart enough to figure out that they are/were games.

I would certainly hope so.  After all, I don't think anyone believed the Roman D20 discovered not too long ago was anything besides a gaming die.
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