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« Reply #60: September 20, 2008, 01:01:54 pm »

Seeing as I was about to suggest something on these lines, I volunteer to be a copy/paste bot if we decide to do a Project Cauldronberg.

Being curious, I just went and copy/pasted a thread from the '06 archive.  Only c/p-ing into a Text document, I did a 370 message thread in almost 15 minutes.  That comes out to just over 2 thread pages a minute.  I left in the sig texts, mainly because the thread was so long and I was feeling daunted and lazy.  [A file size of 366kb]

So, given the 180,000 messages stated on the start page, 40 messages a minute on dsl, that's 75 hours of c/p.
Roughly, it would take 10 people almost a month if they did half an hour 5 days a week.
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« Reply #61: September 20, 2008, 01:08:56 pm »

However, you would get hit by fees twice which would make the Paypal fees a bit worse.

Ah, I see what you mean. Missed that the first time.
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« Reply #62: September 20, 2008, 05:44:42 pm »

So, given the 180,000 messages stated on the start page, 40 messages a minute on dsl, that's 75 hours of c/p.
Roughly, it would take 10 people almost a month if they did half an hour 5 days a week.

And there are two separate archive boards: 2005 Archive and 2006 Archive. the second of which has two separate beehive boards.
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« Reply #63: September 20, 2008, 07:43:53 pm »

Seeing as I was about to suggest something on these lines, I volunteer to be a copy/paste bot if we decide to do a Project Cauldronberg.

Not trying to push a decision one way or another, but while we are short of cash right now, I would be happy to spend some time helping with the archive project if needed.

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« Reply #64: September 20, 2008, 08:27:25 pm »

Comments and discussion are invited.

How long have we got before you need to apply one of the solutions?
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« Reply #65: September 20, 2008, 09:49:33 pm »

And there are two separate archive boards: 2005 Archive and 2006 Archive. the second of which has two separate beehive boards.

I had forgotten about the separate Social Board.  But I think we'd want to do it in sections anyway.  There's little chance we could get the whole shebang converted in just one season.  Especially when the current season includes the Holiday Season buildup.  We might be able to get one board done, though.  Or do we not have the two or three seasons the project might take?

And depending on how well it works, maybe we could think about tackling Delphi.  *runs from things thrown and shouts of "Bite Your Tongue"*
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« Reply #66: September 20, 2008, 10:33:37 pm »

How long have we got before you need to apply one of the solutions?

Unknown. I haven't heard back from Bob (who is very busy these days). Nor have I heard from Shadow and Mr Shadow.  Barring Bob's last server failing, it's probably not a decision that has to be made right now, but we need a solution in place ASAP.
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« Reply #67: September 20, 2008, 10:41:06 pm »

Unknown... but we need a solution in place ASAP.

So, if we could cover a year's worth of one of the solutions via donations, that would give time for developing the most suitable response?
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« Reply #68: September 20, 2008, 10:44:43 pm »

So, if we could cover a year's worth of one of the solutions via donations, that would give time for developing the most suitable response?

Provided we pick the solution that will work. Coming up with $120 for the cheapest would not be enough if it ends up needed a $700 solution.  If we have to do money, we'd probably do a monthly donation thing until we were sure what we needed.
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« Reply #69: September 21, 2008, 12:25:34 am »

And there are two separate archive boards: 2005 Archive and 2006 Archive. the second of which has two separate beehive boards.
And since the 2005 Archive is the slow-loading one, it'll require more time for the same amount of work.  I'm just noting that as a condition relevant to time estimates, not to discourage the idea; I'm strongly in favor of it, and thinking of... no, make that tentatively volunteering to help with it (depending whether there's a minimum amount of time that'd need to be spent for a volunteer to be effective, and whether I feel able to commit that amount of time).

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« Reply #70: September 21, 2008, 07:47:56 am »

And since the 2005 Archive is the slow-loading one, it'll require more time for the same amount of work. 

Depends maybe.
I just tried the 2005 and it's not that slow on my Laptop and my internetconnection.
So I guess I'm in the Copy-and-Paste Team if that should happen.

What would be the parameters to save the threads?
Just loading them down for now and later on getting them back up somewhere? Or burn them on CD/DVD?

And we would need to reconcile who copies what. We need a person with the total survey over that project.
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« Reply #71: September 21, 2008, 10:05:05 am »

What would be the parameters to save the threads?
Just loading them down for now and later on getting them back up somewhere? Or burn them on CD/DVD?

And we would need to reconcile who copies what. We need a person with the total survey over that project.

Good questions - and yeah, what we pick depends on distribution.

In terms of who does what: it probably makes sense for people to be assigned to specific folders (that way, we won't have as much of running into each other.) If there's tons and tons of different threads in a folder (thousands), then maybe one person starts from the most recent ones, and one person starts from the oldest ones, and they work toward the middle (that way, they just need to coordinate with one other person, not everyone.)

A Google Docs or other accessible spreadsheet would help, too - people could note when they completed one section, and pick one that wasn't yet assigned to anyone, for example.
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« Reply #72: September 21, 2008, 10:27:37 am »

Good questions - and yeah, what we pick depends on distribution.

And another question I came across: do we really need every folder?
I mean stuff like prayers and energy request f.ex. It's personal stuff in there and the situations are long gone by now...
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« Reply #73: September 21, 2008, 11:45:33 am »

And since the 2005 Archive is the slow-loading one, it'll require more time for the same amount of work.

...(depending whether there's a minimum amount of time that'd need to be spent for a volunteer to be effective, and whether I feel able to commit that amount of time).

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Actually, it appears I took from the '05 archive.  The closure date was in '06, so I thought they were '06 and '07 archives. 

Regarding time requirements.  I don't think there would be an effectiveness time quota.  Going on the theory that every little bit helps.  As long as you do a whole thread at a time.  I just came up with ballpark figures to make it easier for others to make estimations of feasability.
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« Reply #74: September 21, 2008, 12:16:13 pm »

Good questions - and yeah, what we pick depends on distribution.

In terms of who does what: it probably makes sense for people to be assigned to specific folders (that way, we won't have as much of running into each other.) If there's tons and tons of different threads in a folder (thousands), then maybe one person starts from the most recent ones, and one person starts from the oldest ones, and they work toward the middle (that way, they just need to coordinate with one other person, not everyone.)

A Google Docs or other accessible spreadsheet would help, too - people could note when they completed one section, and pick one that wasn't yet assigned to anyone, for example.

The only folders that have more than around 500 messages are the more social (more likely to be discarded) ones in the '05 archive.  The three with over 1,000 are the intros, news/politics/world events, and the General ponderings.  With the first two, we'd need a volunteer to scan the content to see if it's more than "Welcome to TC" and "Link to an interesting article."

Conveniently, the messages are all numbered; all we'd need to do it set up a list of numbers copied or discarded.  If you go into the folders, they split into pages of fifty most recent posts.  If more than two people are working on the same folder we can say you do 1-50, you do 51-100 etc.  The private folders would have to be taken into consideration, too.
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