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« Reply #105: October 20, 2008, 04:18:50 pm »

ok, I'm a quite confused, I thought this was a thread on Philosophy, not hard data scientifics?  As far as I've understood, Philosophy is the study of general problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, truth, beauty, justice, validity, mind, and language.

If my ideas arent welcome here, I apologize to everyone and will cease particpation.

I believe we started off talking about the age of the planet Earth, which definitely falls under scientific investigation. Although it is in the philosophy folder, I suppose, but this thread has taken off in another direction.

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« Reply #106: October 20, 2008, 04:23:47 pm »

I believe we started off talking about the age of the planet Earth, which definitely falls under scientific investigation. Although it is in the philosophy folder, I suppose, but this thread has taken off in another direction.

I was about to post something similar.  I'm not sure that the OP understood that his question wasn't one that lent itself much to philosophy.  Just because he miscategorized it doesn't mean that the rest of us are bound to talk about the age of Earth (and what process happened to put something there to be whatever age it is) in philosophical terms when in fact it's a pretty hard-science question.

I mean, yeah, we could have a rousing discussion of creation myths and what they mean for our purpose in life and all that.  But that wasn't the topic as presented; the topic as presented was fairly straightforward hard-science.
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« Reply #107: October 20, 2008, 05:56:18 pm »

I believe we started off talking about the age of the planet Earth, which definitely falls under scientific investigation. Although it is in the philosophy folder, I suppose, but this thread has taken off in another direction.

Don't worry, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't like you.

If everything is to be taken so literally, then this thread should have been moved to a more appropiate setting..its confusing to a new member to think she is on topic, which from my point of view I was- melding some science with my philosophical point of view..  I didnt understand the rules apparently but some of the criticism offered seems overly harsh, given the circumstances.  I'm not a scientist, no doubt thats clear from the start.  If everyone in philosophy is, I'm out of my league and will not annoy the greater minds on this thread. 
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« Reply #108: October 20, 2008, 06:13:37 pm »

mmm, Your right, its not imperative that I prove this idea has any merit to anyone..for proving or entirely disproving it wouldnt change a thing, in my universe, but  if I may digress from the interesting subject at hand for a moment,  understanding the how/why magick  is of empirical interest to me..I'm enjoying our exchange btw.. Smiley

That works provided you don't state things in a way that makes it sound like you are saying your ideas are actual facts or have some scientific support.
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« Reply #109: October 20, 2008, 06:19:00 pm »

ok, I'm a quite confused, I thought this was a thread on Philosophy, not hard data scientifics? 

Philosophy usually does not run counter to accepted science. Both science and philosophy deal with reality as it is, just from different directions. Bad science does not help establish the truth of a philosophical position.
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« Reply #110: October 20, 2008, 06:25:13 pm »

I'm not a scientist, no doubt thats clear from the start.  If everyone in philosophy is, I'm out of my league and will not annoy the greater minds on this thread. 

Not everyone here is a scientist -- although we do have scientists on this message board. This is a debate and discussion message board. This means that we are far less tolerant of bad science, bad history, misinformation on religions, etc. than many Pagan-oriented boards seem to be. Perhaps this board isn't for you, but don't let this on thread decide for you. Hanf around and get used to this board's somewhat unique culture before you decide whether you fit in or not. Disagreeing with you doesn't mean you aren't welcome or not liked, it just means some here do not agree with your statements.
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« Reply #111: October 20, 2008, 06:43:20 pm »

If everything is to be taken so literally, then this thread should have been moved to a more appropiate setting..its confusing to a new member to think she is on topic, which from my point of view I was- melding some science with my philosophical point of view..  I didnt understand the rules apparently but some of the criticism offered seems overly harsh, given the circumstances.  I'm not a scientist, no doubt thats clear from the start.  If everyone in philosophy is, I'm out of my league and will not annoy the greater minds on this thread. 

I seriously suggest you check out some philosophy of science.  It's a field which really talks about what science actually is and isn't - and I think it would help you formulate your ideas better.
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« Reply #112: October 22, 2008, 02:45:33 pm »

What are you guys views on this?  Their seems to be allot of people that think we have been around a million years and earth several billion years!  Why do we come to this conclusion?  because science says so?  I know I am not Christian anymore but I still hold to the idea that Earth is sooooooo much younger than stated what are you guys opinion?

 280 Billion Years,just popped up in my head.
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« Reply #113: October 22, 2008, 03:06:39 pm »

280 Billion Years,just popped up in my head.

Do you have any basis for that beyond "just popped into my head"?  Because that's...  really old.  Like, the US Geological Survey says that Earth is probably around 4.54 billion years old ("with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent"), with the universe itself being "only" 10-15 billion.  These are not numbers that just popped up in someone's head; they're based on carbon dating and, in the case of the galaxy and the universe, astronomical observations and calculations.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

280 billion years would seem a little farfetched based on this, to say the least.
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« Reply #114: October 22, 2008, 03:21:09 pm »

they're based on carbon dating

Correction to self:  Radiometric dating, not necessarily using carbon isotopes.  Given the half-life of C-14 is around 5-6K years, dating to 4.5 billion years using it would be awfully difficult.  Sorry about that.  Sloppy language on my part.
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« Reply #115: September 05, 2009, 03:57:56 pm »

I feel kinda contrary to this.... I admit that some stuff they have come up with could be true and are.  I think their are some good points "young earth creationists"  have come up with  Smiley 

Edit:  Why would I be expecting anyone to line up behind me?  I feel I will probably be the only one with this view, I just want to discuss.

I too would offer the question: Why do you believe this? Even as a Creationist, One must be willing to entertain the thought that many of the time frames offered in biblical text were codes for quabballistic understandings and decipherings. It astounds me that these ancient codes have been applied by biblical scholars to issues ranging from the true age of Noah at the time of his passing into the loving arms of his God, to the date of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but when it comes to the age of the Earth suddenly none of those rules apply!!!! Undecided

How narrow-sighted and misleading!!!! I would suggest a little thinking for yourself. Consider this logically - since linear logic is the soup of the day here - and decide if you REALLY believe this. If you do, fine, but I don't think that any logical person can reach that conclusion unless they suspend logic and rely on the teachings of certain of Christianity's clergy.
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« Reply #116: September 05, 2009, 05:08:28 pm »

Even as a Creationist, One must be willing to entertain the thought that many of the time frames offered in biblical text were codes for quabballistic understandings and decipherings.

The average Fundamentalist/Creationist Bible scholar does not accept this, nor would many non-Fundamentalist Christians accept the "codes for quabballistic understandings and decipherings" bit even though they don't take the times stated in the Bible literally.
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« Reply #117: September 05, 2009, 05:19:08 pm »

The average Fundamentalist/Creationist Bible scholar does not accept this, nor would many non-Fundamentalist Christians accept the "codes for quabballistic understandings and decipherings" bit even though they don't take the times stated in the Bible literally.
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« Reply #118: September 07, 2009, 09:41:28 pm »


If you think about it ...maybe our life is stuck in time line..replaying its self over and over and over again

or maybe we came from mars and over time..earth has evolved alot ..through out the years

or maybe earth has ended..and reborn its self..and thus bring life back with it..

who knows..maybe no one will know the true answer
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