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« Reply #60: October 12, 2008, 03:57:48 pm »

As I said to Nigel in pm: I already have a ton of unfinished work already and I'm not going to add to it until I finish a few things.

The killer koalas must remain on my "idea" shelf until my wip shelf gets to be much more vacant.

okay, that makes sense.  I usually toss together a quicky outline at that point and file it. Smiley

and I'm at the same point re: craft projects.
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« Reply #61: October 12, 2008, 04:38:39 pm »

okay, that makes sense.  I usually toss together a quicky outline at that point and file it. Smiley

and I'm at the same point re: craft projects.

It has gotten to the point where one thing that I may have to drop one of the things I've been working on for a few years now for an unknown period of time.

So yeah, I'm just going to jot down the idea in a notebook and stash it somewhere.
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« Reply #62: October 17, 2008, 10:02:40 pm »

Religion and science mesh well for me, always have.  I came from a more mainline church though (United Methodist) and we were told in Sunday school classes that each "day" of creation to God could have been millions of years to a human.  So I have no doubt that carbon dating and other ways we figure out how old stuff is, is fairly accurate.  What exactly are your thoughts on fossils and such? 

The biggest issue I have with people trying to prove creationism is that they're not using scientific methods.  You don't start out with your conclusion and work backwards trying to prove it.  That's not science, that's an attempt to justify a literal interpretation of a set of ancient scriptures.

Much like the fuss over trying to "prove" that the world did actually flood and you can find remains of an ark sitting on top of a mountain somewhere.  I guess those people aren't aware that you can find flood stories throughout the ancient near east?  (Like in Mesopotamia where the story goes that the gods got sick of the noise and overpopulation of humanity and sent a flood to rectify the situation.  Only a sage and his wife survived because a god instructed them to build an ark.  Very popular story even before Genesis came about.)

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« Reply #63: October 17, 2008, 10:20:20 pm »

But the geologic record is full of creatures at different levels - and the creationist argument is that they drowned at different rates and therefore they fell into the fossil record at different rates.

HOWEVER - bony fish do not show up until a certain point, and then are found in the record after that point.  Following that logic - they must have drowned then.

They never actually SAY fish drowned, but it's a logical piece of their argument.

This is also my favorite argument, because it logically requires that the deciduous trees outran the conifers to higher ground.  Tongue
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« Reply #64: October 18, 2008, 12:13:24 am »

This is also my favorite argument, because it logically requires that the deciduous trees outran the conifers to higher ground.  Tongue

Well, yeah.  They could run faster after they shed all their leaves.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #65: October 18, 2008, 01:17:08 am »

Enjoying everyone's thoughts on this subject, its likely this earth maybe a compliation of many similiar planets which at some point collided ...perhaps..from my point of view we are eternal beings on a everlasting journey, without beginning or end..now they do say this universe will end in a few billion years, hopefully we will have found a way to escape.
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« Reply #66: October 18, 2008, 03:28:40 am »

Enjoying everyone's thoughts on this subject, its likely this earth maybe a compliation of many similiar planets which at some point collided ...

I don't recall having heard that one before.  Do you have a source I could take a look at?
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« Reply #67: October 18, 2008, 08:29:09 am »

Enjoying everyone's thoughts on this subject, its likely this earth maybe a compliation of many similiar planets which at some point collided

The only problem with this idea is that there is no geological evidence to support it.
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« Reply #68: October 18, 2008, 10:30:07 pm »

The only problem with this idea is that there is no geological evidence to support it.

Well, for instance, have you heard of comets and asteroids of immense size, hitting the earth causing catastrophic change? Changes in climates and the annilation of whole species and creation of new ones?..As for even larger pieces in the very early stages of (this) earth's development, with a molten core and the surface at various times a molten mass  in its early history, no doubt much of the evidence was obliterated..
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« Reply #69: October 18, 2008, 11:18:14 pm »

Well, for instance, have you heard of comets and asteroids of immense size, hitting the earth causing catastrophic change? Changes in climates and the annilation of whole species and creation of new ones?..As for even larger pieces in the very early stages of (this) earth's development, with a molten core and the surface at various times a molten mass  in its early history, no doubt much of the evidence was obliterated..

That doesn't mean that the ENTIRE record was changed - it means that change happened.

There's a big difference between "this asteroid killed the dinosaurs" and "this asteroid is why we have mammals, they hitched a lift"!
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« Reply #70: October 18, 2008, 11:30:23 pm »

That doesn't mean that the ENTIRE record was changed - it means that change happened.

There's a big difference between "this asteroid killed the dinosaurs" and "this asteroid is why we have mammals, they hitched a lift"!

Thanks Shadow.... I now have this mental picture of the mammals from "Ice Age" clinging to the edge of an asteroid by their toenails, and screaming the whole way to Earth.  Tongue Cheesy
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« Reply #71: October 18, 2008, 11:37:15 pm »

Thanks Shadow.... I now have this mental picture of the mammals from "Ice Age" clinging to the edge of an asteroid by their toenails, and screaming the whole way to Earth.  Tongue Cheesy

My work here is done. Cheesy

that's a great image, too.
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« Reply #72: October 19, 2008, 03:46:37 am »

My work here is done. Cheesy

that's a great image, too.

There's a Season One episode of Futurama where some animals are left clinging to a tiny bit of blown up planet. Smiley
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« Reply #73: October 19, 2008, 08:28:11 am »

Well, for instance, have you heard of comets and asteroids of immense size, hitting the earth causing catastrophic change?

Yes, but that has little or nothing to do with your hypothesis that the Earth was formed by a lot of earth-like planets hiting each other to form this planet.  The Earth was probably formed by its gravity pulling stuff in from the original "dust cloud" but those objects were not other Earth-like objects.
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« Reply #74: October 19, 2008, 10:28:43 am »

I don't recall having heard that one before.  Do you have a source I could take a look at?

Its called the Planetary Collision Theory, and was already on the way out as a primary explanation when I took geology over 20 years ago. 

I can't find much information on it on the net (not surprising), and my reference material is 2000 miles away.

The closest I could come to an explanation is this Fox News article from March of this year on the planet Venus.  Apply what is said to the entier solar system, and that was the Theory.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334108,00.html
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