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« Topic Start: October 10, 2008, 08:44:11 pm »

This one is developing.

Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NV6680
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« Reply #1: October 10, 2008, 08:46:01 pm »

Here's the .pdf of the report.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Components/Interactives/Politics/Election2008/branchflower_report_to_the_legislative_council.pdf
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« Reply #2: October 10, 2008, 08:46:52 pm »

Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing

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« Reply #3: October 11, 2008, 06:57:34 am »


OK im not fully up to speed but this looks like no-one who would have been on Palins side agreded to give a sworn statement (bar one). She wouldn't even give a statement for herself.

OK. Not at all suspisious.
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« Reply #4: October 11, 2008, 07:05:05 am »

OK im not fully up to speed but this looks like no-one who would have been on Palins side agreded to give a sworn statement (bar one). She wouldn't even give a statement for herself.

OK. Not at all suspisious.


How could anyone be suspicious?  Palin cleared herself, so she's innocent! Smiley
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« Reply #5: October 11, 2008, 08:28:08 am »

How could anyone be suspicious?  Palin cleared herself, so she's innocent! Smiley

Actually, to many on the conservative/GOP side in the US, I'm sure they feel the actual report cleared her. As she did not get caught breaking any laws, then she did no wrong. Abuse of power is okay so long as no laws are broken to many people.
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« Reply #6: October 11, 2008, 10:34:28 am »

This one is developing.

Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93NV6680

Question: Has anybody here read the actual full report?

Also seems that not firing a state trooper who tasered a kid means you don't have to listen to the Governor about budget issues. 

And another take on it
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http://www.julescrittenden.com/2008/10/10/troopergate/

Wall St Journal, much longer article than the one Lyric linked to:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122364495587222887.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

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The actual finding in the report linked above, by the way, is that she violated an Alaska statute that states any public official’s action that benefits a personal or financial interest is a violation of public trust with regard to the trooper.

Sounds like an ethics law you could use to indict a ham sandwich, though I didn’t notice any mention of penalties in the discussion of the law in the report. There’s also, of course, the question of whether a state trooper who is making threats and behaving erratically … you know, tasering children … is more than just a personal interest for someone who is ultimately responsible for the public safety of all Alaskans. Unclear whether the august panel mulled that.


Palin probably could have been in ethics trouble if they DIDN"T try and get Wooten fired.  Somehow snow mobiling while out on a back injury doesn't sound very smart, or letting a relative get tasered by the ex?


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« Reply #7: October 11, 2008, 10:48:34 am »

Question: Has anybody here read the actual full report?

I've read parts of it. Not all of it, but the salient section, yep.

What I've seen, for the most part from the right, is a latching on of the "didn't violate any laws" thing...well, except for the state's pesky ethics law. The problem I've got with this whole thing (and have ever since I read about it a few months ago when Palin's name was first floated as a VP candidate) is that it's one more scandal for the GOP. I always felt that unless there was a complete and total exoneration of Palin, this was going to stick as just one other corrupt GOP politician.
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« Reply #8: October 11, 2008, 11:36:20 am »

Question: Has anybody here read the actual full report?

Yes

and whuile the "full" report isn't (various bit are cut to prevent privacy laws being busted) and while it does say she didn't break any laws 2 salient points spring to mind

1) The offence listed "Not lisntening to govenor regarding budget issues" as you put it isn't a full fireing offence. depending on scope it can be significantly disciplined but firing?

2) if Palin did nothing wrong then fully co-operating would have had the second page listing them all as interviewed witnesses, rather than "and all these people refused to give evidence even after being subpeoned"

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« Reply #9: October 11, 2008, 11:42:38 am »

Yes

and whuile the "full" report isn't (various bit are cut to prevent privacy laws being busted) and while it does say she didn't break any laws 2 salient points spring to mind

1) The offence listed "Not lisntening to govenor regarding budget issues" as you put it isn't a full fireing offence. depending on scope it can be significantly disciplined but firing?

2) if Palin did nothing wrong then fully co-operating would have had the second page listing them all as interviewed witnesses, rather than "and all these people refused to give evidence even after being subpeoned"



Correction on all of our parts, I think. The guy resigned rather than being reassigned.  It doesn't change your point #2, but reduces the effectiveness of your point #1.

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« Reply #10: October 11, 2008, 02:46:41 pm »

Actually, to many on the conservative/GOP side in the US, I'm sure they feel the actual report cleared her. As she did not get caught breaking any laws, then she did no wrong. Abuse of power is okay so long as no laws are broken to many people.

Actually -- and this is because I'm a product of Illinois politics -- what offends me most is that she was dumb enough to get caught. Tongue I expect and am far too tolerant of official corruption, but there are ways it's okay to be corrupt and ways it's not okay to be corrupt, and getting caught is just bush league.
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« Reply #11: October 11, 2008, 02:51:32 pm »

Palin probably could have been in ethics trouble if they DIDN"T try and get Wooten fired.

I'm familiar with the statute -- and with a very similar one in Illinois -- and she's in clear violation. His firing isn't her office's business, and there's a REASON that you have insulating layers between elected politicians and front-line workers. (It's also why governors are often reluctant to intervene even in CLEAR cases of, say, police brutality problems. The appropriate response is for them to hand down directives through the proper pipelines, to avoid abuse of office.)

The guy is obviously an ass, and misusing a taser strikes me as a good enough reason to NEVER work in law enforcement again (and to lose one's gun permit), but her office's intervention was obviously inappropriate -- and if she were smarter, she would have realized this was the inevitable outcome. It's seriously an incredibly bush league kind of corruption to get caught for, and this guy would have hanged himself given enough rope.

It honestly kind-of bothers me more that she's so obviously wildly unfamiliar with the levers of power than that she was corrupt.
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« Reply #12: October 11, 2008, 03:13:37 pm »

I'm familiar with the statute -- and with a very similar one in Illinois -- and she's in clear violation. His firing isn't her office's business, and there's a REASON that you have insulating layers between elected politicians and front-line workers. (It's also why governors are often reluctant to intervene even in CLEAR cases of, say, police brutality problems. The appropriate response is for them to hand down directives through the proper pipelines, to avoid abuse of office.)

The guy is obviously an ass, and misusing a taser strikes me as a good enough reason to NEVER work in law enforcement again (and to lose one's gun permit), but her office's intervention was obviously inappropriate -- and if she were smarter, she would have realized this was the inevitable outcome. It's seriously an incredibly bush league kind of corruption to get caught for, and this guy would have hanged himself given enough rope.

It honestly kind-of bothers me more that she's so obviously wildly unfamiliar with the levers of power than that she was corrupt.

I was thinking more along the lines of reporting the tasering, reporting the snow mobile incident, and such to the very top. 

I have to agree it looks like Palin doesn't know how to use the levers of power correctly.  That's small town politics, which is a big strike against her as far as VP goes.

If she was more savvy, she would have had a staffer call the head of the disciplen board about the issues.

It also looks like "a thin blue line" coverup also.  The head of the state police (or whatever his actual title is) might have been trying to push back against Palin's interference & Palin's budget issues by not doing his job (wether actually firing [unlikely his job] or more likely pushing it down the chain) and seeing that a problem trooper was removed.
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« Reply #13: October 14, 2008, 02:12:18 pm »

Anchorage Daily News:

Palin vindicated?
Governor offers Orwellian spin

http://www.adn.com/opinion/view/story/555236.html
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« Reply #14: October 14, 2008, 02:18:53 pm »

Governor offers Orwellian spin

I don't know that I'd call it "Orwellian" just yet (but then I don't live in Alaska and hadn't heard anything about the woman until just recently; maybe there's history I'm overlooking).  "Delusional" was the first word that sprang to mind, honestly.

If indeed she did "just get carried away" because of her "passion" for the case, then that only reinforces my opinion that I do not want her elected to anything that involves making any decisions affecting me.  Passion is good, it shows you care.  Letting it rule your actions, though, is not.  Not when you're responsible for a whole country.  (Or, you know, a whole state.  Or a whole city.  Or...  even just yourself, really, come to think of it.)
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