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« Topic Start: October 15, 2008, 12:35:37 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

I was wondering how others feel about rhyme and spells. I can see how rhyme would give a spell fluidity and life, but I personally rarely use rhyme.

I was reading (and thoroughly enjoying) a nice little book the other day, but I didn't care for the author's spells. They were just too cute sounding to me and I couldn't figure out why. Then I realized it was her rhyme style, which struck me more along the lines of old nursery rhymes. But I suppose nursery rhymes may have been more magically oriented in the first place.

So, I was wondering how rhyme figures into magical work. Exactly how important is rhyme?

Any thoughts?


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« Reply #1: October 15, 2008, 12:52:42 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

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I like my spells to rhyme...just because.  I've used non-rhyming spells, but the rhyming ones seem more magical to me! Wink  For some reason, though, I prefer banishing spells not to rhyme.  For those I usually use very few powerful words, and no cutesie-ness.
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« Reply #2: October 15, 2008, 01:10:18 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

So, I was wondering how rhyme figures into magical work. Exactly how important is rhyme?

Any thoughts?


I don't think spells have to rhyme. I find that using a rhyme helps me remember what needs to be said, which allows me to better focus on my intention and will since I don't have to constantly look at a piece of paper.



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« Reply #3: October 15, 2008, 01:14:20 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

The spells I've made didn't rhyme at all. I have sometimes done spells created by someone else, which included rhyme/s, but in these cases I changed the spell to suit me (I'm never confortable enough with someone else's spells, so I add some things and I take out others - and sometimes I end up with a completely different spell than the one I had in the begginning Tongue), and left the poetry out of it. In the spells I've created myself, I didn't even think about making them rhyme. I don't feel rhyme is important in my spells, but that's just me.
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« Reply #4: October 15, 2008, 01:19:46 pm »

I don't think spells have to rhyme. I find that using a rhyme helps me remember what needs to be said, which allows me to better focus on my intention and will since I don't have to constantly look at a piece of paper.

This is one of the reasons I don't make them rhyme. I've got an awful memory, and I can't remember the right words. So if I just say the words as they come out (thinking carefully which words to use), it's easier for me than trying to remember a rhyme. I will probably mess the rhyme up and need to read it from a paper to be sure of what I'm saying.
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« Reply #5: October 15, 2008, 02:03:38 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

Meter helps in a couple of ways - they're easier to say (and to say if you pick up speed), and it makes it easier for a group working together to stay in sync. Rhyme helps with memory, and rhyme is one way it's easier for many people to create a stable meter.

Do I think it's mandatory? Nope. But I think it helps with memorisation, and in my experience of group work, chants designed with a good eye for meter and rhythm definitely seem easier for the group as a whole to work with.
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« Reply #6: October 15, 2008, 02:30:22 pm »


Do I think it's mandatory? Nope. But I think it helps with memorisation, and in my experience of group work, chants designed with a good eye for meter and rhythm definitely seem easier for the group as a whole to work with.

I think especially in group work, this is true. It helps everyone get on the same wavelength, especially for raising energy and in/devoking.

I like to sing, so I often sing spells, or parts of them. They don't always rhyme, and often they are entirely improvised. I also love kirtan and chanting in general, it naturally raises and helps me focus my energy. Anything that helps with that is great, whether it rhymes or not.
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« Reply #7: October 15, 2008, 02:35:50 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 







Mone have never rhymed, because I'm a lousy poet and whenever I've tried to make them rhyme they sounded lame and stupid. So I basically thought of whatever was in my heart, what the spell's true intention was to be and wrote that down. Sometimes I was able to memorize and sometimes I wasn't. But I think that my intention was the main thing and the God/desses knews what I meant. And it worked well for me.
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« Reply #8: October 15, 2008, 02:40:04 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

Whatever will work for a person.  Smiley
It's not necessary though.

I like spells that go in a nice rhyme.
I even used spells in English because the translation wouldn't fit a rhyme scheme.

But what works for me too are spells that go like a mantra or a chant.
Precise and rhythmic but not in rhyme.
In that case the rhythm does the trick for me.
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« Reply #9: October 15, 2008, 03:29:06 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

I was wondering how others feel about rhyme and spells. I can see how rhyme would give a spell fluidity and life, but I personally rarely use rhyme.
So, I was wondering how rhyme figures into magical work. Exactly how important is rhyme?

Any thoughts?




I also don't use rhyme in my spells. I also tend to avoid it when I'm working with a group. It's easier to remember a rhyme, and it's easier to say, but I tend to giggle because I'm that person who can't help but giggle at everything. To me rhyming sounds silly, but that's just me. I know a lot of people who use it to help remember spells.
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« Reply #10: October 15, 2008, 05:46:26 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

I don't feel they have to, nor do I feel that they should not. I personally do not worry about it as if I had to make my spells rhyme, all my spells would be doggerel.  Wink
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« Reply #11: October 15, 2008, 10:59:35 pm »

I don't feel they have to, nor do I feel that they should not. I personally do not worry about it as if I had to make my spells rhyme, all my spells would be doggerel.  Wink

lol...yes, it's good to understand where one's true talents lie, and go with that!
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« Reply #12: October 16, 2008, 09:44:54 am »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 
Not an original sentiment, but I believe you should do whatever makes you feel comfortable. I had to experiment a little to find what worked for me. Generally, I don't use rhyming spells, but sometimes a rhyme just pops into my head. I feel like those ones have a little extra oomph to them, but I don't force myself to make a rhyme.

And maybe the sing-song fairy tale rhymes work for some people, who knows. (I just generally hate rhymed spells unless I've made the wording myself. Maybe I'm just picky! Haha.)
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« Reply #13: October 16, 2008, 10:20:27 am »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

Not always.  Certain spells i don't even put into words, if words are inadequate.  I work a lot with pictures and dioramas, just attaching a 'This will be' sort of imperative to it.

When I do use words, though, I like patterns.  Rhyme, alliteration, repetition.  Especially alliteration - it adds a speed and flow to the working, a sense of 'right now' that often helps with things like banishings and emergency callings.

If it's a dignified, stately spell with lots of time to work and the intent is to build up inertia, then I will use a formal disciplined style of poetry, and really work at the form and the words.  I often do blessings this way.  The sort of tingle I feel if others are hearing it is part self-consciousness and part power massing up to be released.

I've happily used doggerel, too.  As long as it fits the intent and mood of the spell, it's in.  I did a quite effective 'stop coming home drunk and waking me up at three am' spell on some neighbours using mocking limericks once.  They started having more problems than it was worth (getting stopped for disorderly conduct half-way home, getting lost, falling into wet bushes - minor annoyances that make for funny limericks) and started coming home less drunk and less late, or just staying wherever they were until they sobered up.  I sometimes wonder if they went back to old patterns once I moved.

That kind of quick rhyme is handy when driving or doing something else that makes more in-depth magic (which usually involves closing my eyes for some reason) unworkable.  The pattern signifies a spell rather than just a comment and I can usually come up with one for any occasion, since critical considerations don't really come into play.  If there is somebody else there to hear it it is sometimes embarrassing, but I tend to use feeling silly as a power source a lot in ritual and spellwork. 

My automatic cantrip for stopping problems I don't have time to think about yet from taking over my head, or banishing thoughts I already know are pointless, is along the lines of a quick 'banished buried burned' with a mental image of one of those big old rubber stamps coming down on a stack of papers.  What the stamp marks on them ranges from a flaming pentagram to a bright red 'file 13', but it usually works immediately.  It is so automatic that I don't always really pay attention to it anymore.  I don't care if the pointless thoughts are gone forever, and the 'problems I can't attend to now' will always come up again at more appropriate times, so doing it automatically doesn't mean they go unresolved forever.

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« Reply #14: October 16, 2008, 11:25:06 am »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

My 2 cents

Personally, the spells I write/use tend to rhyme. They just come out that way (mostly), usually with seven syllables per line....don't ask me why, I don't know. I don't think it's a requirement. I do like Tana's idea though - rhythm witout rhyme. I'll have to try that when I'm having difficulty finding an appropriate word in the middle of a spell. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

I also agree with Jenett, that the rhyme and meter help greatly in a group setting. Almost all of my rituals are practiced alone, but the few group rituals I have attended used rhyming chants and directives, and even then it took everyone a couple of lines to get in sync. I wonder how long it would have taken without the repetitive rhythms.  Wink
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