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« Reply #30: January 20, 2009, 10:51:49 pm »

Exactly how important is rhyme?

I think it's as important in triggering the correct subconscious state as any other literary pattern.

Personally, while I have never found rhyme to be particularly helpful or compelling, I have discovered that alliteration can be quite useful.

This is one of those areas where I think it really comes down to chat triggers the right parts of the Self for each person . . . in the same way the different people respond to different smells.
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« Reply #31: January 20, 2009, 11:46:33 pm »

Do you feel that spells should rhyme? 

No.  I feel that your own spell should be written with words that have meaning to you.  Some of my spells rhyme but most do not. 
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« Reply #32: January 21, 2009, 08:07:00 pm »

Wait...Norris and penis don't rhyme.
Technically, yes, they do - but it's a masculine (one-syllable) rhyme with that syllable being a very short one.

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« Reply #33: January 21, 2009, 08:45:30 pm »

Technically, yes, they do - but it's a masculine (one-syllable) rhyme with that syllable being a very short one.

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I'm actually trying to sound it out but all I'm getting are words that sound like "Norse" and "Pens."

maybe you could help me with the pronunciation, because I'm even more confused Huh
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« Reply #34: January 21, 2009, 08:48:17 pm »

Technically, yes, they do - but it's a masculine (one-syllable) rhyme with that syllable being a very short one.


It barely qualifies as off-rhyme but 'Norris' is pretty difficult. But don't you mean feminine rhyme? The two end words have more than one syllable and the rhyme is unstressed.  Huh
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« Reply #35: January 21, 2009, 08:50:06 pm »

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I'm actually trying to sound it out but all I'm getting are words that sound like "Norse" and "Pens."

maybe you could help me with the pronunciation, because I'm even more confused Huh

If you distort the natural stress of the words (which would usually be on Nor- and Pe-), you can emphasise the 'is' sound.

Probably also a big accent difference between us.  Tongue
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« Reply #36: January 21, 2009, 08:51:20 pm »

It barely qualifies as off-rhyme but 'Norris' is pretty difficult.

Well, 'porous' comes to mind Cheesy
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« Reply #37: January 21, 2009, 08:55:05 pm »

If you distort the natural stress of the words (which would usually be on Nor- and Pe-), you can emphasise the 'is' sound.

*tries*

Damn, who knew all you had to do is speak in a Shatner voice for it to (somewhat) work.

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That's probably a large factor Cheesy
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« Reply #38: January 21, 2009, 08:55:16 pm »

Well, 'porous' comes to mind Cheesy

Definitely an accent difference then! The way I pronounce the endings for 'porous' and 'Norris' sound different, like 'us' and 'this'.

This is interesting, it'd explain why some rhymes I've seen seem off. Probably because the writer said things differently.
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« Reply #39: January 21, 2009, 09:16:47 pm »

Definitely an accent difference then! The way I pronounce the endings for 'porous' and 'Norris' sound different, like 'us' and 'this'.

Well, it's not an exact rhyme, but (to me) it's closer. Grin

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This is interesting, it'd explain why some rhymes I've seen seem off. Probably because the writer said things differently.

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« Reply #40: January 21, 2009, 09:41:07 pm »

I'm actually trying to sound it out but all I'm getting are words that sound like "Norse" and "Pens."

maybe you could help me with the pronunciation, because I'm even more confused Huh
I think it might be a matter of differences in pronunciation (possibly regional/accent).  For me, both "Norris" and "penis" are two-syllable words (nor-ris, pe-nis), which don't rhyme as whole words but whose second syllables rhyme.

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« Reply #41: January 21, 2009, 09:49:51 pm »

I think it might be a matter of differences in pronunciation (possibly regional/accent).  For me, both "Norris" and "penis" are two-syllable words (nor-ris, pe-nis), which don't rhyme as whole words but whose second syllables rhyme.

*looks back to your other post*

I think I misread your last post.  I thought you implied "try pronouncing them as one-syllable words instead of two."

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« Reply #42: January 21, 2009, 10:17:05 pm »

But don't you mean feminine rhyme? The two end words have more than one syllable and the rhyme is unstressed.  Huh
Hmm, possibly I'm mistaken about the difference between masculine and feminine rhyme.  I was under the impression that the former was a single-syllable rhyme, whether of one-syllable words (mouse, house) or final syllables of longer words (improvise, sympathize), while the latter was when two or more syllables rhymed (alienation, fascination).

<pause for source check>

Re-examination of my rhyming dictionary - which is where I thought I got it from, but it doesn't seem to genderize syllable counts - gives me glossary entries on feminine and masculine ending, which fit what you said.  (I'm thinking now that I picked up the genderized-rhyme thing from a friend who usually knows what he's talking about - I know he and I have used that terminology on conversation.)

Like many English-language-usage things, I'm better at doing it than at deconstructing/talking about how to do it.  Mostly that's just fine, but every so often something like this comes up - thanks for questioning that; it's a bit embarrassing, but I'd rather get it straightened out.

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« Reply #43: January 21, 2009, 10:24:50 pm »

*looks back to your other post*

I think I misread your last post.  I thought you implied "try pronouncing them as one-syllable words instead of two."

My bad Embarrassed
<does some looking-back of her own> Yeah, your misreading more than my misphrasing, but my phrasing was on the murky side, so I can easily see how it happened.  (Note to self:  try to keep in mind that any post on TC could legitimately be read as a helpful offer suggesting something to try.)

Clear now?

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« Reply #44: January 21, 2009, 10:28:09 pm »

Hmm, possibly I'm mistaken about the difference between masculine and feminine rhyme. 

Actually, I was just about to post that I think I'm mistaken. I looked up definitions for both kinds of rhyme online and they appeared a little inconsistent. All the definitions agree that with masculine rhyme, the last syllable is stressed, and with feminine rhyme, the last syllable is unstressed, but some definitions also state that with feminine rhyme other syllables in the last word also need to rhyme (e.g. fashion/passion) while others don't have that rule. I was thinking of masc/fem endings, definitely; your friend's likely right on masc/fem rhymes, unless they turn out to be the same thing and I'm blowing smoke out of you-know-where.  Cheesy

But see, all this fuss demonstrates that you should never make crappy Norris/penis off-rhymes.  Grin

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