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« Topic Start: October 23, 2008, 08:09:09 pm »


 The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?
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« Reply #1: October 23, 2008, 08:20:53 pm »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

I think that sounds bizarre.

Then again, the idea that candle colors *must* be correct or bad things happen confuses me too.  I tend to use whatever's on sale when I go through a craft store and go "OOOOOOOH, pretty!"

but .. orange for black?  bwuh?
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« Reply #2: October 23, 2008, 08:50:34 pm »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

I love black candles. Have about twenty at home Cheesy. Are you plans to change from black to orange colours in relation to a Samhain ritual or what other purpose do you want to use the candles for? If it is for a drawing away negativity spell I don't know that orange will suffice, but white may. I like a bit of candle magick but do not have my books with me (at work atm;)) so will look into it when I get home. Have you read a bit on candle magick? Might be a few sites that have some substitute candle work if black isn't your thing.

Just a question; Why don't you want to use black candles?
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« Reply #3: October 23, 2008, 09:24:38 pm »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

The first seems to work. I've never tried the second and my results would not be very helpful as I'm not big on letting things like candle color or phase of the moon control my magic. Having the "right stuff" might make magic a bit easier, but it really doesn't seem to be needed -- at least not in most cases.
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« Reply #4: October 23, 2008, 11:36:05 pm »

The first seems to work. I've never tried the second and my results would not be very helpful as I'm not big on letting things like candle color or phase of the moon control my magic. Having the "right stuff" might make magic a bit easier, but it really doesn't seem to be needed -- at least not in most cases.

I agree with Randall on this..to me a candle is a candle..the color is psychological, so is the annoiting and all. It simply is part of getting in the mood.

Also..why not use white candles as white is the sum of all colors? But anywhoo..I do not see why one cannot use whatever color they choose...if you aren't big on black and you find it a detriment to your workings then use another color. No one is going to send you to the "naughty corner" for doing so.
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« Reply #5: October 23, 2008, 11:52:51 pm »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

White has worked for me no matter the purpose, and I always have a supply of white candles for just that reason. I do agree with Randall and Black Waltz though, it's what you make of it, not the color of the candle that's important.

And you never did get back to the orange insted of black question. Just curious about the reasoning ......
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« Reply #6: October 24, 2008, 12:16:24 am »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

I don't understand why you'd substitute orange for black. That doesn't make any sense to me. If I don't have a particular color for a particular spell. I just use white.
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« Reply #7: October 24, 2008, 12:18:53 am »

I don't understand why you'd substitute orange for black. That doesn't make any sense to me. If I don't have a particular color for a particular spell. I just use white.

I still have a feeling it has to do with the upcoming Samhain ritual. We will just have to wait until the OP gets back to us from our questions. Smiley

White is most calming and neutral. Many people have mentioned (and is common knowledge) that white is the symbol of all colour combined...

Colour White - Wikipedia

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« Reply #8: October 24, 2008, 12:47:45 am »

White is most calming and neutral. Many people have mentioned (and is common knowledge) that white is the symbol of all colour combined...

I always thought it was black because the color ABSORBS light and thus ALL the colors in the visible spectrum.  Oh well, this is probably one of those things where ymmv Wink
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« Reply #9: October 24, 2008, 12:53:58 am »

I always thought it was black because the color ABSORBS light and thus ALL the colors in the visible spectrum.  Oh well, this is probably one of those things where ymmv Wink

I wish I could re-phase my "common knowledge" statement to say "my knowledge"  Lips sealed

But I have always felt and understood that white was the colour that was all colours combined and therefore neutral and powerful at the same time (sorry my references are at home Sad ) and that black was the reflection of white? Anyone care to elaborate. I'm only new to studying (1 1/2 years) so do not know too much on the matter of colours in magick, etc..
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« Reply #10: October 24, 2008, 12:58:57 am »

But I have always felt and understood that white was the colour that was all colours combined and therefore neutral and powerful at the same time (sorry my references are at home Sad ) and that black was the reflection of white? Anyone care to elaborate. I'm only new to studying (1 1/2 years) so do not know too much on the matter of colours in magick, etc..

It's almost 1 AM where I'm at so this may or may not make sense.

When we see color, it's because that thing absorbs a certain color of the visible spectrum.  White reflects all light so it is basically the absence of color.  Black, otoh, absorbs all light so it can be considered every color of the visible spectrum combined.
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« Reply #11: October 24, 2008, 01:59:50 am »

It's almost 1 AM where I'm at so this may or may not make sense.

When we see color, it's because that thing absorbs a certain color of the visible spectrum.  White reflects all light so it is basically the absence of color.  Black, otoh, absorbs all light so it can be considered every color of the visible spectrum combined.

While white does reflect all light, it either is or can be (it's almost 1am here too, so I'm a bit tired and I don't remember which) made up of the primary colors red green and blue. I think black is, scientifically speaking, refered to as colorless *because* it absorbs all light. Then again, as tired as I am, I may have it mixed up. Somebody sould find an encyclopedia and look it up. Smiley
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« Reply #12: October 24, 2008, 05:23:46 am »

White has worked for me no matter the purpose, and I always have a supply of white candles for just that reason. I do agree with Randall and Black Waltz though, it's what you make of it, not the color of the candle that's important.


Although I like to use the appropriate clolours if poss, i'm a big believer in the 'it's what you make of it' school of thought. If you need this candle for something specific how about inscribing it with your intentions as well as charging and annointing?

Personalise your candle, energy is way more important than colour in some things...depends on what your doing though I guess, and how strict you are on ritual and by the book spellcasting.

Being a bit kitchen Witchy I do tend to improvise!
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« Reply #13: October 24, 2008, 07:25:48 am »

The candle books say that you can substitute any candle color with white candles if you do not have that color on hand.What is your opinion on that? Also, you can substitute orange candle for black if you do not like black candles. What do you think?

The orange for black thing also puzzles me - those are two very different sets of color associations for me.

One other option for candles, if you don't have the right color is to wind a bit of ribbon or embroidery floss or yarn around the candle in the color you want. (Obviously, use appropriate caution if you're planning to burn the candle all the way down, as the fiber will burn differently - usually, it's easiest to wind it around the base and remove it after the candle has burned part way down but before reaching that part of the candle.) It's really inexpensive and generally easy to keep a range of embroidery floss colors on hand.
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« Reply #14: October 24, 2008, 07:50:50 am »

When we see color, it's because that thing absorbs a certain color of the visible spectrum.  White reflects all light so it is basically the absence of color.  Black, otoh, absorbs all light so it can be considered every color of the visible spectrum combined.

I think you've got that backwards.  We see the color of light that is reflected, not absorbed.  (After all, if it's absorbed, it can't very well reach our eyes to be seen.)  Thus, white light is the sum of all colors because it's what we see when our eyes are getting the full visible spectrum reflected back at them.  Black is the absence of color because it reflects nothing back.

Of course, just to be confusing, if you're melting wax for a candle and trying to make white it's the exact opposite...  Mixing all colors together will likely get you something approximating black (because you're combining the filters of all the different colors of wax and eventually blocking *everything*), whereas if you want white you can't mix anything else in with the white.
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