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« Reply #15: November 04, 2008, 07:18:36 am »

Interesting story. Maybe their presence depends on how much they are worshipped at the place? I find there are some flats of Pagans when you walk into them you feel the presence of the Gods in an instant.

Yes, but then why would I sense them so strongly in Minnesota? (Where, if there are dominant imported deities, you'd think they'd be even more Northern European, rather than so clearly English, based on the dominant historical immigration patterns here - Minnesota's earlier immigrants were mostly Scandinavian.)

Based on what I sensed on that trip, it really did feel like "Minnesota is fine, because there's nothing being *that* territorial about us there." (There are certainly First Peoples religious spaces within driving distance, but most of them are not in the Twin Cities metro area itself.) And yet, on that section of the Danube, there's something with a much stronger sense of territory.

Makes sense to me, really - it honestly felt like walking into someone else's house, and not being able to bring my own guests. Totally reasonable, when looked at that way.
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« Reply #16: November 04, 2008, 07:35:22 am »

I don't know, if they are known under other names and were worshipped by others. So I don't know if an influence like Absent talked about, could happen. Maybe I'd be surprised to hear how somebody else called them.

Just to clarify - the One I'm talking about is known by the same name (with allowances for different languages and dialects).  It is his role in myth and specific actions in history that differ from place to place.  He is still instantly recognizable as the same being, just nicer or more beneficent in some places than in others.

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« Reply #17: November 04, 2008, 07:38:03 am »

just nicer or more beneficent in some places than in others.

In terms of Cultural Hero / Cultural Villain, Creator / Destroyer, Benefactor / Corrupter of mankind, etc.

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« Reply #18: November 04, 2008, 07:43:46 am »

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I thought that it was that way, with you knowing the deity in question.
But that clarifys all the more (your second post I've just seen in preview too.)

And I see now that deities being known under different names brings even another quality to that question.
Lots of interesting food for thought here.
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« Reply #19: November 04, 2008, 09:48:28 am »

Why/ why not?

I do think so.  I've definitely always noticed Them around when I moved or traveled, although I haven't gone to other countries.

Due to empires and syncretism and such, some of my gods have already traveled quite far.  Smiley

(And come to think of it, I honor a lot of gods associated with travel.  So I definitely see Them as cosmopolitan.)
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« Reply #20: November 04, 2008, 10:02:04 am »

(And come to think of it, I honor a lot of gods associated with travel.  So I definitely see Them as cosmopolitan.)

That is really handy.  Grin
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« Reply #21: November 04, 2008, 12:41:14 pm »

I know that there has been a thread at some point discussing whether or not deities are tied to place, but I want to ask a more direct question:

If you moved across the country, to a different country, or even to a completely different continent, do you think you would still strongly feel the presence of your God(s)/Goddess(es)?

Why/ why not?

Yes, I think that I would, because I've never been to any of the countries of my ancestry, where my God/desses are from. I know that They are always with me, but if I went to the countries that originally worshipped Them, I could visit the sacred sites and see the statutes the people created for Them, etc.
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« Reply #22: November 04, 2008, 07:59:24 pm »

Not just the surrounding area's view of them, but the way they themselves have presented themselves in that area, the roles they have taken on in the different areas.  It doesn't make them different entities in different places, exactly, but different aspects have prominence for whatever historical reasons there may have been.

It's a way of not denying the experiences of other groups who have encountered the same beings.  The circumstances of the encounters have been such that different traits have been most evident, without being different enough to indicate different beings with similar names.

If you encountered your father in the work place, especially in a position of authority, it would be a different person than you met over breakfast each morning.  Calling him 'daddy' would be acceptable or not depending on his position, your position, and the general culture of the work place.  It wouldn't be 'wrong' or 'inacurate' in real terms, but the relationship would still be altered because of the surroundings.

Thankyou for expanding; I understand what you mean now. Your example of one's father in the workplace was especially helpful.
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« Reply #23: November 04, 2008, 08:11:24 pm »

Similar to Jenett there is a Lady and a Lord in my life which I can't name. He might be a cernunnos-type deity, she seems to be more an earth-goddess type. I believe they belong somehow to this area, maybe they are the local expression of 'bigger' deities. I do know - somehow - that they are old. So they've might taken on a celtic-gaulic flavor but they've been around before the celts in this area.

Would I still feel their presence when I'd leave here?
I think yes, since they took me under their wings and I view them somehow as parents.

I'm the same. In my life there is a Goddess (predominantly) and a God which have not named themselves to me at the moment. She is very earth-based also. I hoped that I would still feel Her presence when I moved from the UK to the US and I am glad to say that I most definitely do. In fact, I seem to feel her presence more so since moving. I am unsure whether or not this is due to place, or the fact that my life seems to be slightly less stressful since the move and thus I am more open to receiving her within my life.
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« Reply #24: November 05, 2008, 05:31:17 am »

I'm the same. In my life there is a Goddess (predominantly) and a God which have not named themselves to me at the moment. She is very earth-based also. I hoped that I would still feel Her presence when I moved from the UK to the US and I am glad to say that I most definitely do. In fact, I seem to feel her presence more so since moving. I am unsure whether or not this is due to place, or the fact that my life seems to be slightly less stressful since the move and thus I am more open to receiving her within my life.

 Cheesy I'm always glad to hear I'm not alone with this  *problem*.

That you're more open seems to be the reason that you feel the presence more.

I had a stressful time the other month and I sat at my workplace and I just called to my Lady in my mind, why I can't feel her.
And I got an incredible feeling of omnipresence I went  Shocked for a sec and I got the answer: That is because I'm everywhere, you just have to open up to it.

So true.
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« Reply #25: November 05, 2008, 08:04:35 am »

I know that there has been a thread at some point discussing whether or not deities are tied to place, but I want to ask a more direct question:

If you moved across the country, to a different country, or even to a completely different continent, do you think you would still strongly feel the presence of your God(s)/Goddess(es)?

Why/ why not?

Zzyxx will always be with me, no matter what.  Hir's been a presence in my life for over 7 years, including through my move to Texas from Virginia.

While Artio has followed me around the country while I was driving, I definitely feel closer to here when I'm in VA than when I'm in TX.  I think its partially me and partially Her.  While my husband is Her's, he hasn't acknowledged the connection and when I'm in TX, I get the feeling that she pulls back a bit, not wanting to press.  On my end, my spiritual side is alot more open when I'm in VA, due to the geography of the areas.  The desert does nothing for me, but I can lose myself for hours in the meadows and forests of VA.

Hadad, I think, will be with me where ever I go, being a God of Wind.  He helps me when I'm flying (I hate flying, takeoffs terrify me).  He enjoys El Paso, as it is windy there quite often, and He feels right at home in the desert.  He loves the storms and rain in VA, and seems to be comfortable in both places.   
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« Reply #26: November 05, 2008, 12:19:58 pm »

Cheesy I'm always glad to hear I'm not alone with this  *problem*.

That you're more open seems to be the reason that you feel the presence more.

I had a stressful time the other month and I sat at my workplace and I just called to my Lady in my mind, why I can't feel her.
And I got an incredible feeling of omnipresence I went  Shocked for a sec and I got the answer: That is because I'm everywhere, you just have to open up to it.

So true.

 Smiley  It's an awesome experience when you realize it.
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« Reply #27: November 10, 2008, 03:04:24 pm »

I know that there has been a thread at some point discussing whether or not deities are tied to place, but I want to ask a more direct question:

If you moved across the country, to a different country, or even to a completely different continent, do you think you would still strongly feel the presence of your God(s)/Goddess(es)?

Why/ why not?
Yes,  I think I'd still feel the presence of my deities.  I've never been to Egypt but I feel a really strong connection to those Gods/Goddesses.  Their Presence will always be with me.
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« Reply #28: November 26, 2008, 05:05:13 am »

If you moved across the country, to a different country, or even to a completely different continent, do you think you would still strongly feel the presence of your God(s)/Goddess(es)?

Yep.

As a pantheist, I believe that everything is god, and it'd be pretty tricky to find some place far enough away from everything to cause me to loose touch with Her.  Wink

That being said, the imagery I most usually work with for my worship of (and partnership with) god is that of Diana, and She is originally an Italian goddess. I live in New Zealand, so I'm not even close to Her home soil! It's never been a problem for me.

NZ is such a young country anyway. The first settlers of this land were Polynesians who arrived around 1200 AD: Europeans showed up in the late 1700s. I'm not Maori or Moriori so my ties to this land are very recent (I can trace my paternal family's arrival here back to around 1805 but my maternal family are only second-gen).

Growing up in "the heart of Maoridom" as I did taught me an appreciation of Maori culture (well, specific to the 3 or 4 local tribes, anyway), and made damn sure that I would never dream of appropriating their pre-colonial gods, mythos or practices. It was up to me to find and worship the gods of my culture.

I do make offerings to the atua of the area where I live, however, because there is a similar Roman concept of numina. Those spirits are definitely tied to this place, but should I go elsewhere, I'm sure I'll soon discover the numina there.
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« Reply #29: November 26, 2008, 01:16:33 pm »

NZ is such a young country anyway. The first settlers of this land were Polynesians who arrived around 1200 AD: Europeans showed up in the late 1700s. I'm not Maori or Moriori so my ties to this land are very recent (I can trace my paternal family's arrival here back to around 1805 but my maternal family are only second-gen).

Growing up in "the heart of Maoridom" as I did taught me an appreciation of Maori culture (well, specific to the 3 or 4 local tribes, anyway), and made damn sure that I would never dream of appropriating their pre-colonial gods, mythos or practices. It was up to me to find and worship the gods of my culture.

I do make offerings to the atua of the area where I live, however, because there is a similar Roman concept of numina. Those spirits are definitely tied to this place, but should I go elsewhere, I'm sure I'll soon discover the numina there.

How interesting  Smiley

Can I ask; why would you never approach the Gods of the Maori culture? Do you feel that you have no 'right' to? (for lack of a better word).
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