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« Reply #30: December 18, 2008, 07:47:36 am »

Same, I read it as I believe it was intended.
Ditto, but you get that Smiley
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« Reply #31: December 22, 2008, 09:57:42 pm »

As for other forms of Satanism - I don't know enough about them to form a decent opinion.

A couple a years ago I spent some time studying Satanism simply to understand what it was all about.

I found myself classifying the different Satanic groups into three categories:
   1- Atheistic Satanism.  These are atheistic groups that call themselves Satanists for the shock value.  ie. The Church of Satan
   2- Theistic Satanism.  These groups believe Satan/Lucifer is either a god or a higher being who wants to lead humans to either enlightenment or godhood.  Google "Joy of Satan" for an example.
   3- Inverted Christianity.  These people have a Christian outlook of the world but choose to side with Satan for whatever reason.  The few dangerous Satanists tend to fall under this third category.

Again, this is just my personal way of understanding the Various Satanic religions.

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« Reply #32: December 23, 2008, 04:38:21 am »

A couple a years ago I spent some time studying Satanism simply to understand what it was all about.

I found myself classifying the different Satanic groups into three categories:
   1- Atheistic Satanism.  These are atheistic groups that call themselves Satanists for the shock value.  ie. The Church of Satan

I always felt that there was more to it than the shock value.
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« Reply #33: December 23, 2008, 05:13:17 pm »

I always felt that there was more to it than the shock value.

The Church of Satan or people calling themselves Satanists for shock value?
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« Reply #34: December 23, 2008, 06:14:04 pm »

The Church of Satan or people calling themselves Satanists for shock value?

I'm not going to answer this directly, because I may give the wrong impression.
1) I imagine there is more to the Church of Satan than shock value.  I'm not personally experienced with it, and I know a lot of Satanists left when they tried to charge for membership.
2) I think there's an exxageration of the numbers of shock value Satanists.  That is, I doubt any of the shock Satanists have actually grappled with the philosophy.
3) I was most particularly disagreeing with the idea that atheistic Satanists must be doing it for shock value.
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« Reply #35: December 23, 2008, 06:21:57 pm »

I'm not going to answer this directly, because I may give the wrong impression.
1) I imagine there is more to the Church of Satan than shock value.  I'm not personally experienced with it, and I know a lot of Satanists left when they tried to charge for membership.
2) I think there's an exxageration of the numbers of shock value Satanists.  That is, I doubt any of the shock Satanists have actually grappled with the philosophy.
3) I was most particularly disagreeing with the idea that atheistic Satanists must be doing it for shock value.

Hm, I dunno what your answer would have been otherwise but that pretty much answers what I wanted to know. Smiley So thanks.

I have to agree with you for the most part. I do remember reading a discussion between a few people and one of them was, I suppose, an atheistic Satanist. It was something along the lines of using the ideal of what Satan did (be independant, strong, etc) as a moral guide? I'm probably completely wrong but it was the jist of what I can remember, or at least what I can gather from the words 'atheistic Satanist'. Am I pretty far off?
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« Reply #36: December 23, 2008, 06:26:38 pm »

Hm, I dunno what your answer would have been otherwise but that pretty much answers what I wanted to know. Smiley So thanks.

I have to agree with you for the most part. I do remember reading a discussion between a few people and one of them was, I suppose, an atheistic Satanist. It was something along the lines of using the ideal of what Satan did (be independant, strong, etc) as a moral guide? I'm probably completely wrong but it was the jist of what I can remember, or at least what I can gather from the words 'atheistic Satanist'. Am I pretty far off?

That's basically it.  What atheistic Satanists talk about seems to usually follow those lines.  Much like one could be an atheist and still follow the guidance of Buddha.  It's about thinking that X and Y are sensible beliefs/ actions that stand up to the light of reason.  I don't agree with all aspects of Satanic philosophy, but I think they have some interesting points.
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« Reply #37: December 30, 2008, 08:21:39 pm »

I was reading it with some lads i know, it doesnt at all seem the way people portray it to be. Doesnt seem evil all that evil. Just over indulgence maybe? We all are guilty of that, well, at least i am a bit.
I put this here because it doesnt seem in the realm of paganism, but, i have a feeling in your search through paganism this must have come up for you.

I have talked to some and researched a bit about Satanism, and found that it is highly varied. There are so many forms, and there a few that do not even believe in the devil. In my opinion it is a lot like paganism, there are so many forms and interpretations that exist and are completely different.
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« Reply #38: February 17, 2009, 12:32:39 am »

I was reading it with some lads i know, it doesnt at all seem the way people portray it to be. Doesnt seem evil all that evil. Just over indulgence maybe? We all are guilty of that, well, at least i am a bit.
I put this here because it doesnt seem in the realm of paganism, but, i have a feeling in your search through paganism this must have come up for you.

My view of Satanism is probably somewhat atypical.

I view Satan and Jehovah as the Odd Couple.  Jehovah is Felix, the fuss-budget, giving rules for this, that, and the other thing.  He likes His world very well organized and builds a wall around it, calling it Heaven, and you can only play there if you follow His rules.  Therefore, hell is when you're separated from Jehovah and you get left on the outside.  He even builds a gate where you have to account for yourself to get in.

Meanwhile, Satan is like Oscar--much more indulgent.  You get to indulge in ALL the things that God gave you, including eating from the Tree of Knowledge (really, who puts a really great toy right in the middle of the living room in front of their kids and says, don't touch?).  Satanism, in my view, is more about using God's gifts, making choices, and taking responsibility for those choices.  Heaven and hell is a result of your choices on earth, while you live, not about a judgemental afterlife.

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« Reply #39: February 23, 2009, 01:28:08 am »


I have heard of the athiest form, which I don't know a lot about. But I know they aren't evil. They are atheistic and only use Satan as a symbol...

However, I have come across some very disturbing forms of Satanism. Including people purposely doing magic in the name of Satan to hurt others... (whether it works is not for me to say... it's the intention I find disturbing), using their concept of demons to try and put power trips on others, stuff like that. I have heard violent accounts of certain Satanic sects, but I was not there, so I will not say it is or isn't verified. However, I think it's like any religion... Don't judge a person who claims to be a Satanist based on what you see in other Satanists, hear about other Satanists, or even what Satanic texts state... Every person is different. Just get to know that person's beliefs. Every religion has it's bad and it's good. There are wonderful Christians and Christians who kill... same with every religion. Now you can say well they're not real "x religion"... And that's another discussion entirely. But in general, I would say if you meet someone and they claim a religion (like Satanism), just ask their personal beliefs before you jump to conclusions... Religious definitions are made by humans and are easily changed by humans. Hope that helps.
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« Reply #40: March 27, 2009, 05:44:16 pm »

I was reading it with some lads i know, it doesnt at all seem the way people portray it to be.

Be that as it may, there seems to be A LOT of people who portray it as the quintessence of evil.  The thread made me want to look further into it, and boy is the info and opinions on the matter all over the place.  From what I could tell,  there are no 'serious' or 'organized' Satanist branches that are evil per say.  There are however dozens of Satan-related cults that are a lot more obscure, and difficult to research for lack of internet exposure.  And some information on how you should go into "recovered memory" therapy to make sure that you were not a victim of "SRA" (Satanic or Sadistic Ritual Abuse) as a child....

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« Reply #41: March 27, 2009, 05:51:52 pm »

And some information on how you should go into "recovered memory" therapy to make sure that you were not a victim of "SRA" (Satanic or Sadistic Ritual Abuse) as a child....

That's bound to be the dumbest advice I've heard in a while.
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« Reply #42: March 27, 2009, 06:04:40 pm »

That's bound to be the dumbest advice I've heard in a while.

I very, very much agree with you there!  Wink
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« Reply #43: May 16, 2009, 01:16:09 am »

I was reading it with some lads i know, it doesnt at all seem the way people portray it to be. Doesnt seem evil all that evil. Just over indulgence maybe? We all are guilty of that, well, at least i am a bit.
I put this here because it doesnt seem in the realm of paganism, but, i have a feeling in your search through paganism this must have come up for you.

Satanism, like paganism, varies greatly by individual, though 3-4 groups are widely accepted.

LeVayan Satanism was founded by Anton LeVay in 1969, He founded the Church of Satan. The Church of Satan is an athiestic philosophy closer to humanism then religion.

The Temple of Set is an off-shoot of the CoS, and believes roughly the same things as them.

that is athiestic satanism though there is such a thing as thiestic satanism too.

Theistic satanism is the belief in Satan as an actual diety; most forms of thiestic satanism dont accept the christian mythos of satan, but believe him to be more like how christians view thier god.

there is luciferianism which identifies more with the lucifer aspect of satan, lucifer is the bringer of knowledge.

then there is enkism, which is a very varied belief, most in this path refer to satan as enki, after the ancient sumerian (i think its sumerian) god.

then there are devil worshippers (reverse-christians) these people are the lowest on the totem pole, almost all satanists look down on these miscreants, mostly they are teenagers who want to rebel, they arent true satanists, simple christians trying to be opposite.

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« Reply #44: May 17, 2009, 03:01:27 pm »

It seems the common view of the Forum members is informed, sensible & delivered after some thought.
Unfortunately, the common view of much of the media, general public and many Neo-Pagans in the UK is of the knee-jerk variety, Satan = Evil !!!!!!
As a full-contact Satanic puppy, I find it annoying to be labelled a devil-worshipper, and refuse to correct
anyone who is silly enough to judge without research. It would be a waste of my breath, cos they don't want to listen to my evil lies.
The mind of the fundamentalist is like the iris of the eye. The more light you shine on it, the smaller it gets.
I've got to say this forum restores my faith in the human race, may it live long and prosper.
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