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« Reply #15: January 10, 2009, 11:05:40 pm »

The path I have been walking on seems to be a common one.

I've read a few stories lately about people deconverting from Christianity and becoming rather atheistic in their views for awhile.

I've been reading more of the Edda's and also I have been reading more into the Lore of the Gods and seeing which Gods resonate with me when I read about them and what they represent.

I'm finding there are a few that really seem to strike me but the thing that is truly interesting to me is to read just how much wisdom that the old Gods have in their stories about life and other issues.

It's not realistic to expect to get struck my Thor's lightning to believe that he exists, but I am starting to believe more and more as time passes.

It's nice to have a forum like this to talk about stuff like this one. Outside of my one or two pagan friends communication about this stuff is nonexistent practically.
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« Reply #16: January 11, 2009, 06:50:19 am »


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« Reply #17: January 11, 2009, 03:16:54 pm »

Whenever I am around my friend...and we talk about the Gods...it feels right...it feels true and it feels real to me. However, I am having a damn hard time getting that feeling for "myself" when I am alone and when there is no one else there to talk to about it.
I want to develop a real relationship with the Gods myself! I do not want to take the word of anyone else to "tell" me about the divine I want to experience it for MYSELF.

I am going to go along with everyone else and say belief doesn't have to happen overnight.  You may want to look into a more personal spiritual path as opposed to a set or pre-established set of beliefs.

It sounds as though you are starting out on a long journey. Don't be in a hurry to get right to the end. What you learn along the way is part of where you will end up.

Stick with U.U. (I am a member) and you will meet all kinds of people there on all kinds of paths. Some churches offer religious exploration classes and other activities concerning personal growth. They can help you see where you may want to go.

Always remember, you are never stuck on one path. If you try something out and it doesn't work, continue on with your journey.

Blessings along your path.
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« Reply #18: January 11, 2009, 03:20:57 pm »

I've been reading more of the Edda's and also I have been reading more into the Lore of the Gods and seeing which Gods resonate with me when I read about them and what they represent.
Ah yes, I totally agree. Something I should have mentioned in my first post - duh! Smiley
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« Reply #19: January 12, 2009, 03:46:40 am »

Ah yes, I totally agree. Something I should have mentioned in my first post - duh! Smiley

Oh yes, giving the Eddas a read through is fantastic. Particularly the Havamal, its a wonderful read.

But as other say, dont try to rush through the process. Enjoy it! And although you seem to be really gettin into Asatru, look into some other paths as well. I studyied just about every path i could find before settling down on Asatru and it was great because: 1) I learnt alot about different ideas and thoughts. 2) Understand the people who hold those beliefs better than before and 3) am a more open and understanding individual.

So enjoy the adventure, read some good books, vists some religious sites if you get the chance, and learn a bit while your at it. Smiley
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« Reply #20: January 15, 2009, 05:59:04 pm »

It's possible to be an atheist and a Heathen at the same time.  It's more about practices and values than about beliefs. 

Agreed.

A spiritual journey, though, is also possible if you are inclined.

About having a "personal relationship" with the gods, that's feels more like a Christian phrase and attitude to me.  For me, Asatru was first about family and virtue.  (For Goddess worshippers, identification might be first about the Earth or a similar innate and personal belief.)  In striving to live with honor, I found myself studying Northern literature for inspiration.  There I found the audacity of Thor, which allowed me to face difficulties.  I found the wisdom of Odin, and the motherly persona of Frigga.

It was from a practical standpoint, from a desire to live well that I began to identify with gods and goddesses.  The myths provide me with paragons of behavior and belief, just as they did for my ancestors.  When I learn from these stories, the strength of my bond with the past is greater, and when I live the example of an honorable life, from which my sons can learn, I pass that strength to the future.
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« Reply #21: January 15, 2009, 08:35:39 pm »

About having a "personal relationship" with the gods, that's feels more like a Christian phrase and attitude to me. 

I can't speak to how it fits in with Asatru specifically, but I wouldn't call it a specifically Christian phrase and attitude.  There are plenty of pagans here at TC who have personal relationships with one or more deities.  I'm not sure it's as common in the larger Pagan community as it is at this particular forum (we seem to attract those who have been tapped by deities for some reason), but it's certainly something that exists outside the influence of Christianity.

If the phrase had been "personal saviour" I'd agree with you.  "Personal relationship"...  not so much.
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« Reply #22: January 15, 2009, 09:05:24 pm »

I can't speak to how it fits in with Asatru specifically, but I wouldn't call it a specifically Christian phrase and attitude. 
Not an expert by any means, but I seem to remember reading elsewhere that for the original Northern tribes, it is believed that a "personal" relationship with the gods wasn't expected, like it often is today. As for the recreation of Asatru now, I get the feeling some do and some don't.

Someone correct me if I'm grossly wrong.
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« Reply #23: January 16, 2009, 01:19:49 am »



I guess I have a question about Asatru as well, and I hope this is the right place to post it: In most Norse Mythology books I've seen, it sounds like they believed that eventually evil would triumph over good, Valhalla would be destroyed, the gods couldn't stop it, humans were ultimately powerless, and even if you couldn't win against evil forces, you were still supposed to fight as hard as you could against them. (Feel free to correct me if I am wrong or have misunderstood) Do modern day Asatru believers still see it that way, and if so, how do you feel about that part of the Viking culture?
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« Reply #24: January 17, 2009, 05:06:01 pm »

I guess I have a question about Asatru as well, and I hope this is the right place to post it: In most Norse Mythology books I've seen, it sounds like they believed that eventually evil would triumph over good, Valhalla would be destroyed, the gods couldn't stop it, humans were ultimately powerless, and even if you couldn't win against evil forces, you were still supposed to fight as hard as you could against them. (Feel free to correct me if I am wrong or have misunderstood) Do modern day Asatru believers still see it that way, and if so, how do you feel about that part of the Viking culture?
I believe you are talking about Ragnarok? It *is* the end of the world as we know it, BUT as the myth goes, some of the gods survive and two people survive and the world rises again from the ocean fertile and green. So it's not a complete destruction, but a chance for a new beginning.

I don't know that the term "evil" was understood as something you should go out and look for and beat down. Bravery was/is very important, but evil is a very slippy word.

I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to say much more. ha.
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« Reply #25: January 19, 2009, 05:30:09 am »

Thankyou all for your thoughts and suggestions.

You are definitely right this is a path to be walked slowly and with great attention to the detail surrounding me during the journey.

I do believe you are correct in regards to trying to "Christianize" the Norse Gods. I would by no means do that intentionally...but It would not surprise me if I had unconsciously attached that type of reasoning to it coming from a deep Christian background.

I am quite fortunate at my UU church to have at least 2 other Asatru there. The more I talk with them the more I realize that it is more about the example that the Gods put forth instead of direct divine contact.

I can't help but believe...or perhaps...hope that we can have contact...albeit randomly...with the divine from time to time, but I do believe that the Gods of the North seem to be separate individuals with their own minds and desires.

With that in mind...how can I expect them to just run to me with open arms just because I have a troth book, some poems, and a fresh set of runes? I do believe as I continue to read and respect them that the relationship will come.

I am starting to truly believe they exist...it's a lot different from how I was raised...but the relationship seems to be a more realistic...more "real" one than the kind I grew up in.
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« Reply #26: January 19, 2009, 05:30:53 am »

Jord,

Could you please leave the quote code in when replying to a post?

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My apologies...I just noticed that you said that.

No problem at all.
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« Reply #27: January 19, 2009, 05:43:31 am »

My apologies...I just noticed that you said that.

No problem at all.

Since you replied to the thread in general on that last post, I don't think that was a real problem.
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« Reply #28: January 19, 2009, 12:10:45 pm »

I believe you are talking about Ragnarok? It *is* the end of the world as we know it, BUT as the myth goes, some of the gods survive and two people survive and the world rises again from the ocean fertile and green. So it's not a complete destruction, but a chance for a new beginning.

I don't know that the term "evil" was understood as something you should go out and look for and beat down. Bravery was/is very important, but evil is a very slippy word.

I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough to say much more. ha.

Thanks. I had heard about the two people surviving, but I guess I thought that was part of a different religion. I always liked that story.
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