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« Reply #120: February 02, 2009, 05:39:51 pm »

Lots of folks in rural areas depend on that meat as a main food source.

And to shoot vermin that attack their livestock, pets, or even children -- something people who live in cities tend to forget.
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« Reply #121: February 10, 2009, 12:43:57 pm »


Yes I know Tom Kratman.  Look at a couple of his newer books and you'll see my name in the acknowledgements.

That's pretty cool, actually, even if I don't care for his work. Smiley

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A State of Disobedience is not his greatest piece of writing. He'll be proud to tell you that it's at best an OK book.  He had to really stretch to make it even somewhat plausiable.

Then why'd he write it?

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The book wasn't about Hillary and definately wasn't about lesbians.  It was about polarization and how pushing too far too fast creates a backlash.  Video interview with him where he discusses the book, and others : (it's part 3 of 5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xaMzGS7cXE

Look starting at about minute 3 onward to probably 5 or so.

I'll have to wait until I've got a few hours to download, but I'll just say that the president in it screamed of Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh style.

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I hope you read at least the first part on-line for free before spending money on it.  Or now that you know about webscriptions, you'll look at all the Baen books before spending the money. 

I didn't know about that at the time; it was a few years ago, IIRC.  Plus, I wasn't really expecting anything from Baen to suck enough for me to regret having bought it; everything else I've gotten from them, I've liked.  They and Tor are my go-to publishers if I happen to be at a bookstore with spare money and don't have something particular in mind.
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« Reply #122: February 10, 2009, 03:20:11 pm »

That's pretty cool, actually, even if I don't care for his work. Smiley

Then why'd he write it?

I'll have to wait until I've got a few hours to download, but I'll just say that the president in it screamed of Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh style.

I didn't know about that at the time; it was a few years ago, IIRC.  Plus, I wasn't really expecting anything from Baen to suck enough for me to regret having bought it; everything else I've gotten from them, I've liked.  They and Tor are my go-to publishers if I happen to be at a bookstore with spare money and don't have something particular in mind.

LOL about Baen and TOR being your goto publishers.  I'll have to mention it to Toni (current head of the company) if I see her next year or so. 

You could go to Amazon and write a review and give it one star. Although he actually likes though reveiws if it appears you have read the book. They seem to help him sell books. That's on one of the YouTube interviews.

Tom wrote it at the behest of Jim Baen.

The character of the President is obviously based upon an over the top description of Hilary.  The point though wasn't to say Hilary as Hilary would be a disaster; or that a woman President would be a disaster. 
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« Reply #123: February 11, 2009, 12:12:41 am »

I'm going to keep this convo in mind when it comes to the possibility of reading his other work.  My problem with A State of Disobedience is that the writing itself was sub-par - that led me to mentally flag him as not that good a writer, but it now seems possible it's just that his heart wasn't in it for this one.

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« Reply #124: February 11, 2009, 07:12:57 am »

I'm going to keep this convo in mind when it comes to the possibility of reading his other work.  My problem with A State of Disobedience is that the writing itself was sub-par - that led me to mentally flag him as not that good a writer, but it now seems possible it's just that his heart wasn't in it for this one.

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Watch on the Rhine was mostly written by him, plus he has 3 solo novels.  That's why the Baen website, with the free first 1/3 or so of each book is so nice.  You'll probably hate his politics though.
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« Reply #125: February 12, 2009, 12:19:57 am »

You'll probably hate his politics though.
That seems likely, from what I've heard, and it might mean I don't care for his books (Pyperlie and I are probably twins on this one; her politics and mine - and for that matter her taste in SF and mine - are pretty similar).  But political differences aren't as much of an obstacle for me as poor writing is.

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« Reply #126: February 13, 2009, 10:13:48 pm »


LOL about Baen and TOR being your goto publishers.  I'll have to mention it to Toni (current head of the company) if I see her next year or so. 

My rule of thumb is that, if you like Heinlein, you'll like Baen. Smiley

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You could go to Amazon and write a review and give it one star. Although he actually likes though reveiws if it appears you have read the book. They seem to help him sell books. That's on one of the YouTube interviews.

I could, but in all honesty don't feel the need; I'm annoyed at being out 8 bucks, but that'll teach me next time.

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Tom wrote it at the behest of Jim Baen.

Did it have to be Texas seceding?  Or near-future, for that matter?

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The character of the President is obviously based upon an over the top description of Hilary.  The point though wasn't to say Hilary as Hilary would be a disaster; or that a woman President would be a disaster. 

However it was meant to come across, I read it as a diatribe against women who aren't baby factories, and against lesbians (why else make her one for this book and go out of the way to make it seem like yet another reason she's eeeevil).
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« Reply #127: February 13, 2009, 10:43:55 pm »


That seems likely, from what I've heard, and it might mean I don't care for his books (Pyperlie and I are probably twins on this one; her politics and mine - and for that matter her taste in SF and mine - are pretty similar).  But political differences aren't as much of an obstacle for me as poor writing is.

Political differences are pretty minor compared to poor writing.  I point to Heinlein and Asimov as a great example.  Asimov was much closer to me politically, but I don't like his stuff (heresy, I know), and I love Heinlein.

But really, a lot of Baen books have a right-wing leaning, but that's never really bothered me, as long as they're good. Smiley 
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« Reply #128: February 13, 2009, 11:04:10 pm »

Political differences are pretty minor compared to poor writing.  I point to Heinlein and Asimov as a great example.  Asimov was much closer to me politically, but I don't like his stuff (heresy, I know), and I love Heinlein.

But really, a lot of Baen books have a right-wing leaning, but that's never really bothered me, as long as they're good. Smiley 

Can you read full books on a computer screen? as opposed to just a couple of chapters as a preview?
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« Reply #129: February 13, 2009, 11:13:12 pm »


Can you read full books on a computer screen? as opposed to just a couple of chapters as a preview?

I don't like to, but I can (and have gotten hooked on a couple that way), why?
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« Reply #130: February 14, 2009, 12:36:34 am »

Political differences are pretty minor compared to poor writing.  I point to Heinlein and Asimov as a great example.  Asimov was much closer to me politically, but I don't like his stuff (heresy, I know), and I love Heinlein.
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There are ways in which Asimov's writing is fairly good, but any time actual people are involved - characterization, dialogue, motivations, etc, etc - it goes to hell.

Politics - on a simple left/right linear, I suppose we're closer to Asimov, but I'm not sure how well the simple linear works here.  It certainly doesn't categorize Heinlein all that effectively (or me, for that matter).

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« Reply #131: February 14, 2009, 09:02:15 am »

I don't like to, but I can (and have gotten hooked on a couple that way), why?

I'll probably buy one of the monthly bundles from Baen webscriptions in August or so. I get the chance to send a free copy of that bundle to a new person to get them hooked.  I'll PM you for your e-mail addy if you are interested and if I can remember in 5 months. (currently flat broke due to on-going divorce).
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« Reply #132: February 24, 2009, 11:57:19 am »

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He seems to've been a big-picture kinda guy; great on concepts, terrible on details.

I read as much of the Foundation series as I could stand; does he have something that's better?

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Politics - on a simple left/right linear, I suppose we're closer to Asimov, but I'm not sure how well the simple linear works here.  It certainly doesn't categorize Heinlein all that effectively (or me, for that matter).

Asimov was closer to me on economic issues, although they seemed to be fairly close on the social ones, IIRC.
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« Reply #133: February 24, 2009, 12:00:01 pm »


I'll probably buy one of the monthly bundles from Baen webscriptions in August or so. I get the chance to send a free copy of that bundle to a new person to get them hooked.  I'll PM you for your e-mail addy if you are interested and if I can remember in 5 months. (currently flat broke due to on-going divorce).

That's really nice of you; thank you! Smiley
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« Reply #134: February 24, 2009, 03:13:32 pm »

I read as much of the Foundation series as I could stand; does he have something that's better?

Asimov was closer to me on economic issues, although they seemed to be fairly close on the social ones, IIRC.

Lucky Starr series, but it's a juvenile. I liked it at 12 or 13, doubt I'd bother re-reading (or maybe even reading) it now.

It's been a long time since I"ve read a lot of Asimov, but I don't recall a lot of economics in his books. 
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