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« Reply #30: February 02, 2009, 08:14:25 pm »

Either way it is still merchandise and none of it has really anything to do with spirituality. Tools are nice but they are not spiritual or spirituality.
When any religion allows itself to be a tool of mass marketing then it is clear they have lost their original intent, that is if there really is one.

If one wants to think "wicca" or "Druidism" then it is the precepts for which it is remebered, not the tools and the flashy, blinky stuff. There IS a difference between a belief system and mere commerce and mass marketing.

That is a very, very specific spiritual outlook, not some kind of eternal truth.  In many cultures, the "what" does matter.  You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater by insisting on making sweeping generalizations about *all* cultures where the buying and selling of spiritual supplies matter, based on your experience with white bourgeois Neo-Paganisms and their particular forms of "mass marketing."   
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« Reply #31: February 02, 2009, 10:31:51 pm »

Sometimes when I see this word I sometimes see it also as "The New Dark Age"
Trying to equate cheap merchandise with spirituality is always a losing proposition.

I think that's probably far too broad a generalization. Sure, New Age has attracted a lot of merchants who enjoy selling over-priced stuff to less discriminating New Agers, but that doesn't mean the entire movement is about overpriced merchandise and high priced become a Real Shaman(tm) in a weekend type classes.
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« Reply #32: February 02, 2009, 11:40:40 pm »

I think that's probably far too broad a generalization. Sure, New Age has attracted a lot of merchants who enjoy selling over-priced stuff to less discriminating New Agers, but that doesn't mean the entire movement is about overpriced merchandise and high priced become a Real Shaman(tm) in a weekend type classes.

I'm sure you're right, but I gotta say that being so publicly translucent (if not invisible) on the part of the non-uber-commercialist New Agers ain't doing the faithful any favours on the publicity front Smiley
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« Reply #33: February 03, 2009, 01:41:29 am »

I wonder if these Western oppositions against 'selling spirituality' comes from the Christian backround. You know, Jesus expelling the merchands from the temple.

Well, I also roll my eyes at stuff that's too shiny for my taste and overprized for it's tiny practical use (in case you can much easier use something cheaper), but that kind of merchandise you don't only find on the spiritual/religious market. I think it's normal for most goods you can buy on most fields.
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« Reply #34: February 03, 2009, 01:44:13 am »

Sure, New Age has attracted a lot of merchants who enjoy selling over-priced stuff to less discriminating New Agers, but that doesn't mean the entire movement is about overpriced merchandise and high priced become a Real Shaman(tm) in a weekend type classes.
I agree with you on that. The merchandising of New Age or other minority spirituality/religiousity might often be the only part of those paths people from mainstream religions see. So the reputation of New Age and other esoteric/occult stuff might be a bit disproportional. There's also tele-evangelism and shiny pictures of saints, but everyone knows Christianity is about more than that.

(I don't deny that there are a lot of fluffies in New Age and Paganism, but so are in other religions.)
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« Reply #35: February 03, 2009, 01:53:28 am »

Meditation, totem animals and so forth..they are really nothing new, they have simply been reorganized, dusted with some shiny terminology and repackaged in new wrappings; all designed to entice the unwary and make them think that this is all something new and unique.
Not that New Age books are good at history, but I haven't seen yet one denying that their stuff comes from older traditions. I thought 'New Age' was about there coming an age where people change their spiritual orientation, not about the spiritual trappings itsself being new.  Huh

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New Age is merely warmed over regurgitations of old concepts.
Is there a difference to Neopaganism or any other religion? So what? Since humanity has existed for some time now it's hard to find any concept completly new. 'Democracy' isn't a new concept either.
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« Reply #36: February 03, 2009, 08:46:58 am »

I'm sure you're right, but I gotta say that being so publicly translucent (if not invisible) on the part of the non-uber-commercialist New Agers ain't doing the faithful any favours on the publicity front Smiley

Most non-commercial forms of New Age Spirituality simply aren't very visible as they don't involve stores, advertising, and other very public/visible activities.
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« Reply #37: February 03, 2009, 09:17:21 am »

Most non-commercial forms of New Age Spirituality simply aren't very visible as they don't involve stores, advertising, and other very public/visible activities.

because the people who really are practicing and teaching New Age forms of spirituality do not have to do a lot of marketing or selling of themselves. They are what they are. And yes, they might teach an intro to psychism class down at the crystal store on Tuesday nights, or do on-going reading groups at their homes. I think it is just as useless and narrow-minded to judge one group based on how it's lowest common denominator presents itself as it is another.
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« Reply #38: February 03, 2009, 11:42:12 am »

Is there a difference to Neopaganism or any other religion?

Nope. It is simply repackaged and sold as something new and "improved".

'Democracy' isn't a new concept either.

Yes, I know.

That is a very, very specific spiritual outlook, not some kind of eternal truth.  In many cultures, the "what" does matter.  You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater by insisting on making sweeping generalizations about *all* cultures where the buying and selling of spiritual supplies matter, based on your experience with white bourgeois Neo-Paganisms and their particular forms of "mass marketing."   

I do not see it as "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" really, I am simply observing that it seems spirituality is frequently coupled with commerce and marketing practices. How else are some people going to even consider spirituality unless it is clothed in appurtenances?

Spirituality by itself is not flashy or mysterious but rather mundane and sometimes seems boring so perhaps this is why, as a general collective (I mean general society, not anyone specific) people do not even take the time to develop it because they see it as boring and so forth, it seems many will only pay attention when it is presented with "new agey" terminology, "special" music, incense and such. Some do not seem to realize that these things have NOTHING to do with spirituality.

Sadly it seems that some focus so much on appurtenances that they (again in a generalized context..not refering to anyone specific) end up thinking that these things ARE spirituality. This is my major beef with "new age" and paganism in general.
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« Reply #39: February 03, 2009, 12:08:29 pm »

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Could you please reply individually to posters? Combining all your replies into one post makes it extremely difficult to follow a thread and the posts don't show up as "to" the poster if they're scanning for replies to their messages.

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« Reply #40: February 03, 2009, 12:23:55 pm »


I used the quote function..and besides if I made multiple posts then I'd be reprimanded for that too wouldn't I?

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« Reply #41: February 03, 2009, 12:27:13 pm »

I used the quote function..and besides if I made multiple posts then I'd be reprimanded for that too wouldn't I?


we've generally always encouraged people to make multiple posts, and in all my time here, I have never seen anyone 'reprimanded' for making multiple posts.
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« Reply #42: February 03, 2009, 12:32:33 pm »

we've generally always encouraged people to make multiple posts, and in all my time here, I have never seen anyone 'reprimanded' for making multiple posts.

I see. I misunderstood the finer rules when replying. Thanks EverFool
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« Reply #43: February 03, 2009, 01:04:06 pm »

I used the quote function..and besides if I made multiple posts then I'd be reprimanded for that too wouldn't I?

I shall do as you tell me then. My regrets.

From your exchange with Everfool, I'm assuming you've got it?

The objection isn't against multiple posts...it's a single reply to multiple posts. It's very easy to miss a reply to something in a thread where that's going on.
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« Reply #44: February 03, 2009, 01:20:12 pm »

From your exchange with Everfool, I'm assuming you've got it?

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Despite everything I think I can manage to grasp this concept. Thanks.
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