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« Topic Start: January 28, 2009, 03:08:39 am »

I've seen people cast a circle just like walls without creating a closed ground and 'ceiling'. Others create a fully closed sphere.

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why. Would the first method be an incomplete circle or do you think it's necessary to leave it open to the ground and sky for grounding and connection?  Huh

To me the fully closed version feels more complete, but also gives me the feeling of being less grounded.
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« Reply #1: January 28, 2009, 09:15:06 am »

I've seen people cast a circle just like walls without creating a closed ground and 'ceiling'. Others create a fully closed sphere.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone do the open cylinder circle, but I have heard of people who do it that way.
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« Reply #2: January 28, 2009, 09:39:38 am »

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why.

Dianics do the closed sphere.  The roof of the sphere goes into the air like a dome, although depending on how big the circle, the dome may not go very high.  And if you are inside a building, it may not always reach outside. 

The bottom half of the sphere is under the ground.  So those inside are still connected to the earth.  If you were to draw a cross-section of the sphere, the middle would be right around ground level, with the bottom half reaching as far down into the earth as the the top half reaches into the sky(more or less).

The closed sphere creates a container in which you can pool and build energy until you're ready to release it.  But because of it's shape, you still remain connected to the ground.

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« Reply #3: January 28, 2009, 12:37:08 pm »

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why. Would the first method be an incomplete circle or do you think it's necessary to leave it open to the ground and sky for grounding and connection?  Huh

I don't cast circles very often, but when I do, it's a closed sphere similar to what FierFlye described above.  The size depends on the work I'm doing and if there's anyone else involved, but the spheres always extend into the ground below and air overhead.  Staying grounded while using this method has never been an issue for me, but then again, grounding comes relatively easy for me. YMMV.
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« Reply #4: January 28, 2009, 01:45:41 pm »

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why. Would the first method be an incomplete circle or do you think it's necessary to leave it open to the ground and sky for grounding and connection?  Huh

Fully closed, because the circle is supposed to be a container, and containers work really poorly if they're open on both ends, in my opinion. Also, while grounding is important, during much of our ritual work, we actually *want* to be somewhat disconnected from the earthy/mundane/physical form stuff.

We work with a grounded connection through the altar (this is part of why I talk about viewing the altar as a tool in itself), in case of need (someone goes off during a meditation and has trouble coming back, for example), but most of the ritual energy isn't fully grounded out until it's sent out into the world at the opening of the circle. Until then, it resonates within the circle, affecting first the non-physical world, and then echoing back to the physical (one hopes.)

All of this said, we don't do a perfect globe: depending on the physical needs, we cast to the edges of the room, or the entire house. In this model, the bottom of the circle is the floor, the top is the ceiling, and the walls or archways form the sides. (In other words, it's a symbolic circle, transposed onto a physical rectangle) Entire house is handy for longer rituals like Sabbats, where people may want to get a drink, go to the bathroom, etc. Smaller is better for a tighter energetic focus and better control over the energy of the circle (like an initiation or major working.)

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« Reply #5: January 28, 2009, 01:54:52 pm »

The bottom half of the sphere is under the ground.  So those inside are still connected to the earth.  If you were to draw a cross-section of the sphere, the middle would be right around ground level, with the bottom half reaching as far down into the earth as the the top half reaches into the sky(more or less).

The closed sphere creates a container in which you can pool and build energy until you're ready to release it.  But because of it's shape, you still remain connected to the ground.
Thanks, I will try it that way. I've started to cast circles by 'laying' them onto already existing walls in a closed room because it's very easy that way if you're doing it for the first time.

I wonder how would you go about the sphere method in an apartment room above the ground? Can you extend the bottom of your circle to the ground if there are other people living below? The same goes if there are people living above you?  Huh
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« Reply #6: January 28, 2009, 02:01:57 pm »

We work with a grounded connection through the altar
Thanks, Jenett. Could you elaborate more on how one can use an altar (or another tool) for emergency grounding? I've tried the closed version for the first time recently with another newbie witch and we both got a feeling of getting slightly stoned pretty quickly.
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« Reply #7: January 28, 2009, 03:03:40 pm »

I wonder how would you go about the sphere method in an apartment room above the ground? Can you extend the bottom of your circle to the ground if there are other people living below? The same goes if there are people living above you?  Huh

You can make the container a squashed sphere if necessary.  I think the most important features are that the container is closed, and that energy can easily flow within it.  So you could make the container more cube-shaped, but you wouldn't want sharp corners because the energy might get corraled and stuck there.
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« Reply #8: January 28, 2009, 03:46:19 pm »

Thanks, Jenett. Could you elaborate more on how one can use an altar (or another tool) for emergency grounding? I've tried the closed version for the first time recently with another newbie witch and we both got a feeling of getting slightly stoned pretty quickly.

This is one of those "Have to back up about 8 steps to make sure we're on the same page" types of things - something I don't have time to do today (got herb class after work) and may not have energy for before this weekend. A lot of how we use it as a tool depends on other aspects of how, why, when, and where we do circle, which obviously isn't a short explanation!

The more useful shorter version is that there are some other solutions to your problem. Any of them work, but some work better in some situations/for some people than others, in my experience, so try different options.

- Build in a specific grounding meditation at the end of the ritual, after the circle is opened. We have smaller pieces in our standard ritual work (both as part of our circle-uncast and the "The circle is open, but unbroken" bit at the end of ritual that help trigger people to come back, but you can also do a more explicit "Now that we're done with ritual, take a deep breath, feel the ground beneath your feet, etc." grounding exercise.

- Use other physical tools(eating a solid meal, a little salt under the tongue, picking up/holding stones associated with grounding, like hematite) when you're done.

- Hug a tree, or lie down on your back on the floor, arms spread, and let the excess energy flow back out of you and re-anchor yourself in your body.

- Use other methods to make sure you come back fully to your body - for example, go have a conversation about something completely non-magical. Listen to the news rather than to nice trancy music for a bit after you finish. Do your least favorite chore for 10 minutes.
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« Reply #9: January 28, 2009, 04:59:43 pm »

I've seen people cast a circle just like walls without creating a closed ground and 'ceiling'. Others create a fully closed sphere.

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why. Would the first method be an incomplete circle or do you think it's necessary to leave it open to the ground and sky for grounding and connection?  Huh

To me the fully closed version feels more complete, but also gives me the feeling of being less grounded.

I do the first, when I bother to cast a circle these days.  The fully closed version never really appealed to me. 
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« Reply #10: January 28, 2009, 05:19:03 pm »

Thanks, eating afterwards certainly helps me.

But so it's normal to feel a bit stoned while you're in circle?
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« Reply #11: January 28, 2009, 07:25:45 pm »

I'd like to know which methods you prefer and why. Would the first method be an incomplete circle or do you think it's necessary to leave it open to the ground and sky for grounding and connection?  Huh

I use both. For open Sabbats I use the opne circle so the energy we create goes out to the world. For workings I use the closed sphere so I can use the energy I create. My High Priest would tell me that it should be closed to protect you and your work but he would be fine as long as a circle was cast.
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« Reply #12: January 28, 2009, 10:57:31 pm »

But so it's normal to feel a bit stoned while you're in circle?

I wouldn't say stoned (but then, don't have that experience to compare it to *grin*). But somewhat spacy, disconnected from one's body, floaty, etc. - sure.

One of the things I love about a well-designed circle and ritual is that I feel (in that specific context) safe enough to go to that floaty place, and know that the ritual will also bring me back.
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« Reply #13: January 29, 2009, 12:40:17 am »

I wouldn't say stoned (but then, don't have that experience to compare it to *grin*). But somewhat spacy, disconnected from one's body, floaty, etc. - sure.
I don't have any drug experiences either, but I don't know what else to compare it to.  Cheesy

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Maybe I need to find a group I feel safe in too, but I guess it's also normal for newbies to feel a bit awkward in a group.
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« Reply #14: January 29, 2009, 07:44:21 am »

Maybe I need to find a group I feel safe in too, but I guess it's also normal for newbies to feel a bit awkward in a group.

That's normal. The other part of what makes it feel stable/safe, of course, is having a good idea what to expect, and feeling reasonably confident that the other people I'm working with are competent. Which obviously isn't something that happens the first time you work with someone, or when you're brand new to a group. (Some of it's also knowing how to work *with* what other people are doing, which also takes a little.)
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