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« Topic Start: January 30, 2009, 10:42:35 am »

What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?

What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?
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« Reply #1: January 30, 2009, 11:32:10 am »


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What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?

Deliberately doing something you know they don't like, just to piss them off.



What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

For Dionysos; squashing myself down, letting people walk all over me, claiming Dionysos is not a real god

For Bast; deliberately hurting a cat (or any animal, I suppose) that is not for their own good (an example of hurting for their own good would be imho getting them neutered/spayed, surgery to have cancer or tumours removed, etc).



What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Thinking that you can interchange them at whim and there won't be a difference.



Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?

Oh, probably. But I am trying to fix that, and push myself to do the things I promise to do. I think thats also another big mistake; to promise to do things and not follow through, or follow though to your fullest.
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« Reply #2: January 31, 2009, 08:16:50 am »

What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?

What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?

  1.  Hubris.  Thinking that the tiny bit of knowledge i might have... makes me All That.

   2. I think it is very unwise to make a vow  to Deity that i cannot follow thru on.

  3. i think that newcomers might make promises that they cannot keep.
 
   ( it is only my thought that a Vow is a bigger commitment than a Promise, but both should be carried thru.)

  4.  With out a doubt, but i cannot come up with specifics right now.   I'm human... not perfect...yet.

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« Reply #3: January 31, 2009, 03:53:29 pm »

What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?

Depends on which deity you're talking about.

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What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

Putting no thought or effort into your dealings with them, and making promises you don't keep (especially if its in payment for something they did for you).

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What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Believing that they can't be pissed off (that they are "above those sorts of petty emotions"), and thinking that anything you say or do is going to be perfectly acceptable, like its all about you and what you want, forgetting that a relationship is a two way street and there is a real independent being on the other end with wants and needs of their own that may not correspond to what you prefer they be.

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Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?

He Who Owns Me has smacked me upside the head quite a number of times for slacking on the things he's told me to do. I am not so good with the daily routine thing, and its the one area he's ever really been angry with me over.

I've run into other deities that just simply don't like me; not because of anything I did, but we just clash for whatever the reason. When I made a libation to Artemis to help my sister through labor, the response I got from her was, "When you want something directly in my sphere and its for someone other than you, then you can call on me. Otherwise I don't want to see your shadow darkening my altar." I got no sense that it was anything I had done wrong, more of a you're icky, go away feeling. At the time, I didn't know this could happen (especially in Greek circles, its treated sometimes as a given that of course you worship all the gods, although that does seem to have cooled down somewhat) and it came as a shock. I've since met a number of people with similar encounters of their own that I think its common enough.
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« Reply #4: February 02, 2009, 04:06:17 pm »

What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?
What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Hmmm... Hubris, as Mea said.  Expecting to be a God/dess's Special Servant, or get Special Gifts from them, just because you like them. 
On the flipside, I've found that the Norse pantheon, at least, doesn't think much of those who won't take responsibility for themselves.  These are the people who want a god/dess to Just Make It All Go Away so they can live in Peace and Shiny Rainbows and things.  Basically, acting like an annoying fanboy/fangirl, or looking for someone upon whom to dump all one's life's problems is enough to annoy anyone, the Gods included. :-)

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What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

Assuming you'll have an intimate relationship right away (also known as "too much, too soon").  Going to the wrong patron for one's problem.  (Odin has better things to do with his time than listen to someone whine about their problems at work -- He's been known to sacrifice himself for the sake of his work, the pursuit of wisdom!)  Assuming the Gods are interchangeable based on their areas of specialty.

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Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?

Hah!  I've described before how I got upset with Frigga after our house got broken into.  Honestly, I'm lucky she didn't get any more pissed off than she was.  But, she kindly let me know that my expectations were unrealistic, that she wasn't all-powerful for the simple, logical reason that she is not the only diety out there, and that self-made home protection schemes were going to reduce my chance of a repeat break-in more than her favor or even her protection ever could.

After that, I shut up, apologized, gave Her a gift, installed an alarm system and some cameras, and screwed shut some windows (including the one the burglars had pried open, breaking the lock in the process).
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« Reply #5: February 03, 2009, 02:06:01 am »

Thank you all for the interesting answers!


What do you think of spells and charms including deities? I'll give you an example:

Quote from: Campanelli: Ancient Ways, p. 8
By life giving Sun and mystical Moon,
I conjur this charm to grant a boone.
[...]
A charm of magickal power this will be,
By Artemis and Apollo, so mote it be!
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« Reply #6: February 03, 2009, 08:44:16 am »

What do you think of spells and charms including deities?

They seem to common in almost all cultures and throughout history. If they bothered the deities that much, I'd think they'd have done something asbout it by now.
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« Reply #7: February 03, 2009, 04:44:40 pm »

What do you think of spells and charms including deities?

I don't see the harm. They are common in many religions, the example given is far from rude or commanding of the gods in question. The most you can do either way is ask for their assistance, if they choose not to help no charm can compel them otherwise.
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« Reply #8: February 04, 2009, 07:19:14 pm »


Assuming you'll have an intimate relationship right away (also known as "too much, too soon").  Going to the wrong patron for one's problem.  (Odin has better things to do with his time than listen to someone whine about their problems at work -- He's been known to sacrifice himself for the sake of his work, the pursuit of wisdom!)  Assuming the Gods are interchangeable based on their areas of specialty.



I have to agree with this. They are called relationships with the Gods and Goddesses because they are just that, a relationship you have to work at. I once used to work with Freyja a lot, but at one point I began overshadowing her during my work with Cernunnos. I could tell this upset her because I began to lose touch of things, began having some problems with my spiritual work, I realized that she must have felt that I was using her for a certain task, and when it was finished I dumped her. This is, of course, not my intention, but I had to make that clear and change how I approached working with her.
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« Reply #9: February 04, 2009, 11:53:24 pm »

Depends on which deity you're talking about.

Putting no thought or effort into your dealings with them, and making promises you don't keep (especially if its in payment for something they did for you).

Believing that they can't be pissed off (that they are "above those sorts of petty emotions"), and thinking that anything you say or do is going to be perfectly acceptable, like its all about you and what you want, forgetting that a relationship is a two way street and there is a real independent being on the other end with wants and needs of their own that may not correspond to what you prefer they be.

Yes. I have to agree with all of this.

Concerning the third point I've seen on a number of other forums where someone will express worry at having upset a deity or possibly doing so, and there will be a flood of responses telling them not to worry, that's not possible, the gods cannot be angered, and are above such things. But of course these people always seem to believe that the gods will be happy and delighted with everything that you might do. This strikes me as a bit off-balance. Certainly some gods are easier to anger than others, or angered easier by some people than others (hehe...my mere presence in a ritual sees to be enough to ire Brigid, for reasons well beyond my knowledge.) but it seems to me that eventually, they can..though you might not necessarily be the one to set them off so you might not see it. But if they can't be angered then why can they be happy?

The logic, it escapes.
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« Reply #10: February 09, 2009, 10:14:47 am »

What do you think would piss off Gods/Goddesses?

Not doing what you say you're going to do is right up there with my gods.  To give a specific example, I promised Bridget I would always render aid where needed when I am able.  That means exactly that.  If I am able to help someone, it is my responsibility to do so.  I cannot pick and choose who I help.  My husband's uncle, for example, is a drunk and can be a raging jerk, but he needs me to make him his skin treatment several times a year.  I really don't care for the man, but I can't say "Nope, not going to help you because you're a jerk."  To do so would likely result in withdrawl of Her patronage of my work.

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What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

I honestly cannot think of a deity I can say "don't work with them", period/paragraph about.  There are, naturally, deity that I wouldn't recommend one work with casually.  That would be all of them.  Deity are like us, but then again, they're not, and to work with deity casually, that doesn't seem appropriate ever.

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What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Treating them as plug-and-play energies.  "I need a god and a goddess for this ritual.  I know, I'll call on Cernennos and Kali!  Yeah, that'll work..."  AHHH!  Far too many of the 101 level books make it seem like you can toss a bunch of names in a hat and just draw one.  Treating gods in such a manner is rather like treating people in the same manner.  It is disrespectful and inefficient at the very least. 

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Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?
 

Yeah.  I have.  I've fallen short of the mark numerous times.  I've misgauged what would be most appropriate and made piss-poor choices in my own life that my gods weren't real thrilled with. 
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Treating them as plug-and-play energies.  "I need a god and a goddess for this ritual.  I know, I'll call on Cernennos and Kali!  Yeah, that'll work..."  AHHH!  Far too many of the 101 level books make it seem like you can toss a bunch of names in a hat and just draw one.  Treating gods in such a manner is rather like treating people in the same manner.  It is disrespectful and inefficient at the very least. 

Which I suppose is the cue to drop in this old favourite:
http://www.accendi.net/putf/archives/?strip=002

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« Reply #12: February 09, 2009, 10:20:56 am »

Which I suppose is the cue to drop in this old favourite:
http://www.accendi.net/putf/archives/?strip=002

...Hee.

YES!  My cue worked!
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« Reply #13: February 09, 2009, 10:21:59 am »

What do you think would piss of Gods/Goddesses?

What would you consider unwise in interacting with a specific God or Goddess?

What do you think are common newbie mistakes in interacting with deities?

Have you ever done anything a specific deity was annoyed of or not as impressed as you thought he/she should be?

1.  My only relationship is with Brighid (at Her demand), so I can only speak to that one relationship.  The two things that I know would not be looked upon favorably (I think "piss off" might be too strong for this, but I'm not sure and I don't want to find out) are:

A) Denying Her -- that is, pretending She's not real or that I have anything to do with Her.  That puts me in a tight spot sometimes if get asked a direct question but don't want to answer for whatever reason.

B)  Trying to reach out to any other deities.  I think this one is specific to me, though.  I don't think most other people have this restriction.  But, again, I'm not sure.

2)  Ummm.  I'm not sure.  W/R/T Brighid, I think one unwise thing might be to approach Her lightly or when unprepared.  In my experience, She is quite gentle, but can also make it clear that She expects you to be the best you can be.  Thinking you can just lightly call on Her or "use" Her, because She has a reputation as a nice, friendly goddess, would probably either be ignored or would earn you a smack.

3)  As others have said, the idea that you can "use" a deity to do whatever you want them to.  Similarly, assuming the gods are at your beck and call and will come running whenever you "invoke" them.  And not understanding the need to express thanks for help you've received.

4)  I got smacked for not acknowledging my own strength and worth -- basically, for whining.
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« Reply #14: February 12, 2009, 01:43:54 pm »

LOL, those comics made my evening yesterday.
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