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« Topic Start: January 31, 2009, 11:05:54 am »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?
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« Reply #1: January 31, 2009, 11:31:30 am »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

Oh, we haven't had an Atlantis thread in a while, have we Cheesy

I think the story has a kernel of truth in it, but over time it has been built upon.  To be more specific, I think it was based on the Thera Eruption that crippled the advanced (for its time) Minoan Empire.  The story grew from there until it reached Plato who turned it into a morality tale.  Then modern occultist and new agers added things like magickal power crystals that acted like electricity, large pyramids (and teaching lesser civilizations like the Egyptians and Maya how to build there's), ufos and extraterrestrial beings, and so on.
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« Reply #2: January 31, 2009, 11:56:47 am »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

I think as anything meaningful, it never existed.  There may have been a city that fell apart that Plato referenced, but that's it.  It's certainly not the ancient center of all knowledge etc.

As far as people that invoke it, I think they're both nuts AND selling humanity really short.  There's no reason to think all the answers are in the past.  I think it's a lot more meaningful to say that they're in the future and humanity is growing.
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« Reply #3: January 31, 2009, 12:04:34 pm »

As far as people that invoke it, I think they're both nuts AND selling humanity really short.  There's no reason to think all the answers are in the past.  I think it's a lot more meaningful to say that they're in the future and humanity is growing.

I totally agree with this Smiley
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« Reply #4: January 31, 2009, 12:19:33 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years.

(emphasis above is mine)

I think perhaps you meant to say "staple" instead of "stable."   Although considering that most of the stories of Atlantis are, IMHO, full  of horse manure, perhaps stable is a more fitting term.  Wink

Agreeing, as I so often do, with what Mel and HeartShadow have said.  Additionally, I'd say that people who insist that the keys to humanity's future lies in a mythological civilization are denying their own responsibility and ability to shape the future.
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« Reply #5: January 31, 2009, 01:09:16 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion?

No.  Just...no.

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« Reply #6: January 31, 2009, 02:23:10 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

I've been to Santorini, the island whose volcanic eruption in ca. 1640 BCE, which utterly destroyed the Minoan culture there and on the north side of Crete, was the likely ultimate source of the Atlantis legend.  It's an evocative, haunting place, even overrun with tourists:  black sand, villages clinging precariously to the cliffs, and that smoking caldera. 

I have no patience for "Lost Golden Age" stories, especially ones as patently ridiculous as the New Age versions of Atlantis have become.  Minoan culture was an amazing thing in and of itself, without needing to bring crystals and spaceships into it.  And I completely agree with the others who have said that these "Atlantis" legends function as a way for people to avoid going forward, and changing things for themselves. 

Mu and Lemuria have all the same problems, but with an added overlay of deeply disturbing racism:  ugly brown people getting civilized by blond Nordic godlike beings, and so forth.     
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« Reply #7: January 31, 2009, 02:34:39 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

Dude, totally.  I'm a card-carrying ADM!

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Seriously, though, I don't put much stock in what people say when they accredit something to Atlantis.  Some ideas are just really out there, but I will suspend disbelief because I recognize that there are things that I do not know, and I know that there are some things I can say which are pretty out there.  So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for a bit.  But the moment they throw Atlantis on top of the pile, I have to write them off.  Cant do it, sorry, can only handle just so much crazy-talk at once before it gets to be too much.

I think that humans can be pretty darn amazing and accomplish some absolutely incredible feats.  I think that attributing these achievements to super-beings from Atlantis (or aliens from outerspace, although the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive depending on who you're talking to) dilutes the triumphs of the human race, writing off our history as some sort of fluke.  There's no way we could have done that without outside assistance, we're a bunch of idiots!

I may never understand why some people simply cannot just have an idea of their own, they have to attribute it to a channeled message from super-beings.  It feels like a ventriloquist trying to not take responsibility for the words that come out of his dummy's mouth.
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« Reply #8: January 31, 2009, 06:36:07 pm »

I think as anything meaningful, it never existed.  There may have been a city that fell apart that Plato referenced, but that's it.  It's certainly not the ancient center of all knowledge etc.

As far as people that invoke it, I think they're both nuts AND selling humanity really short.  There's no reason to think all the answers are in the past.  I think it's a lot more meaningful to say that they're in the future and humanity is growing.

I completely agree with you!
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« Reply #9: February 05, 2009, 10:49:13 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

While I agree that the current tales of Atlantis are absurd. I wonder what the true tale of Atlantis is? I believe that Atlantis was a place of advanced civilization, FOR THAT TIME PERIOD THAT IT ACTUALLY EXISTED (IF IT DID ACTUAL EXIST). I am no expert on the myths of any of these cities, and these are nothing but the thoughts and opinions of myself.
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« Reply #10: February 07, 2009, 11:19:28 pm »

Atlantis has been a stable of the occult world for over 100 years. Does Atlantis play any part in your understanding of the world or your religion? What does Atlantis mean to you? Total fiction, a real city but not the center of culture, something else? What do you think of people who invoke Atlantis (or other supposed no longer existing places like Lemuria or Mu) as explanations or sources for hidden knowledge?

The Atlantis legends are over 2000 years old actually.  I think it really did exist and I think someone will prove that sometime in the future.  It has absolutely no influence on my religion or magic but it's a cool legend to ponder.
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« Reply #11: February 08, 2009, 08:50:12 am »

The Atlantis legends are over 2000 years old actually.  I think it really did exist and I think someone will prove that sometime in the future.  It has absolutely no influence on my religion or magic but it's a cool legend to ponder.

True, the legends started in ancient Greece, but they only became major part of "occult lore" in the mid to late 1800s -- mainly through Theosophy.
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« Reply #12: March 08, 2009, 03:29:01 am »

large pyramids (and teaching lesser civilizations like the Egyptians and Maya how to build there's

The fact that pyramids exist in Egypt where the slope was changed in mid-construction while they figured out what worked best suggests that the Dolphin Masters weren't the greatest of teachers
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« Reply #13: March 08, 2009, 03:37:53 am »

The Atlantis legends are over 2000 years old actually. 

Source please?
Plato wrote about Atlantis around 360 BCE claiming to describe events that took place 9000 before his time. Unless you subscribe to the theory that a translation error multiplied all the figures by a factor of ten, I am unaware of any writing on the subject prior to Plato
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« Reply #14: March 08, 2009, 04:36:37 am »

The Atlantis legends are over 2000 years old actually. 

It has just occurred to me that Plato's writings were over 2000 years ago ...  Roll Eyes
I think I was trying to make it 2000 BCE  Shocked
One of the hazards of posting at 2 in the morning ......
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