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« Topic Start: March 03, 2009, 12:28:30 am »

I'm considering a Celtic path, and one of the goddesses that I feel I want to honor is Habondia... unfortunately I can't find much about her. Most simply say basically that she was the goddess of the hearth, but eventually became "absorbed" by Brigid. And that's it.

Brigid is a goddess I'm wanting to honor, but *separately* from Habondia. Any good sources for getting to know her a bit, finding out more about her?

 
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« Reply #1: March 03, 2009, 12:40:01 am »



Goodness, now I'm seeing that she's a  goddess of the harvest, and possibly not Irish at all. It is apparent I need some direction at this point!
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« Reply #2: March 03, 2009, 12:54:25 am »

Goodness, now I'm seeing that she's a  goddess of the harvest, and possibly not Irish at all. It is apparent I need some direction at this point!

Okay, I found more reliable info about her. Not Celtic in origin at all... a very interesting goddess, but it's pure fabrication on the part of the sites that were saying she was Irish. And she's associated with very meaningful, important things that might be of interest to me, but NOT the hearth. Except in the mind of one person who apparently was convincing enough to be quoted by others, despite being incorrect.

At any rate, I feel that it's quite important to honor a hearth/home goddess. Is that only Brigid, or is there another Gaelic goddess who is in that role?
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« Reply #3: March 03, 2009, 01:03:22 am »

Okay, I found more reliable info about her. Not Celtic in origin at all... a very interesting goddess, but it's pure fabrication on the part of the sites that were saying she was Irish. And she's associated with very meaningful, important things that might be of interest to me, but NOT the hearth. Except in the mind of one person who apparently was convincing enough to be quoted by others, despite being incorrect.

At any rate, I feel that it's quite important to honor a hearth/home goddess. Is that only Brigid, or is there another Gaelic goddess who is in that role?

Well, there is Hestia, which I wonder if the website you got your original information might have gotten Habondia mixed up with this Greek goddess, or her Roman "counterpart" Vesta.
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« Reply #4: March 03, 2009, 10:02:59 am »


At any rate, I feel that it's quite important to honor a hearth/home goddess. Is that only Brigid, or is there another Gaelic goddess who is in that role?
Perhaps Matres, she is actually a Gaulish/Roman goddess of the home and family, actually Matres is more than one goddess, she is a group of three. I have worked with them for a while now and I really like it. Here is a site with a little more info if you are interested:

http://www.livius.org/man-md/matronae/matronae.html
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« Reply #5: March 03, 2009, 11:29:27 am »

Okay, I found more reliable info about her. Not Celtic in origin at all... a very interesting goddess, but it's pure fabrication on the part of the sites that were saying she was Irish. And she's associated with very meaningful, important things that might be of interest to me, but NOT the hearth. Except in the mind of one person who apparently was convincing enough to be quoted by others, despite being incorrect.

At any rate, I feel that it's quite important to honor a hearth/home goddess. Is that only Brigid, or is there another Gaelic goddess who is in that role?

I've seen her described as Anglo-Saxon in some places, but it seems she's more likely coming from Classical sources. Habondia certainly doesn't look Irish or A-S, but it does seem to relate to the root word for abundance. This site:

http://users.erols.com/jesterbear/notes/abc.html

Says she's medieval in origin, based on the Roman goddess Abundantia, which makes sense.
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« Reply #6: March 03, 2009, 12:07:29 pm »

At any rate, I feel that it's quite important to honor a hearth/home goddess. Is that only Brigid, or is there another Gaelic goddess who is in that role?

I think it depends on what you mean by "hearth/home" goddess. 

Most -- possibly all -- of the Celtic goddesses were tutelary goddesses of specific tribes.  So, in that sense most of them have a "home" focus, since they were intimately involved in bestowing sovereignty on the incoming tribal king.  Many of the goddesses also have fertility functions (for both crops and children), which could be a "home" thing. 

If by "hearth" you mean associated with fire, there are a number of those too, with a lot of overlap with other areas of specialty.

Also, are you looking for a goddess from a particular geographic area?

Your answers will help narrow down your search.  In the meantime, though, you might check out Rosmerta and Nantosuelta.

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« Reply #7: March 03, 2009, 01:22:53 pm »

I think it depends on what you mean by "hearth/home" goddess. 

Most -- possibly all -- of the Celtic goddesses were tutelary goddesses of specific tribes.  So, in that sense most of them have a "home" focus, since they were intimately involved in bestowing sovereignty on the incoming tribal king.  Many of the goddesses also have fertility functions (for both crops and children), which could be a "home" thing. 

This is very useful for me, thank you! Probably why there are so many Celtic goddesses referred to as a "mother goddess," is that right?


If by "hearth" you mean associated with fire, there are a number of those too, with a lot of overlap with other areas of specialty.

I more meant hearth as in the symbolic (and literal) center of the home and family. Hestia is a good example, although not from the pantheon I'm focusing on at this time. 


Also, are you looking for a goddess from a particular geographic area?

Specifically Irish/Gaelic, although I'm open to any Celtic goddess.

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« Reply #8: March 03, 2009, 02:57:13 pm »

This is very useful for me, thank you! Probably why there are so many Celtic goddesses referred to as a "mother goddess," is that right?

Could be.  We know so little about the Celts and their religious beliefs.  In the absence of inscriptions on statues or commentary from contemporaries, it's all basically educated guesses.  The mother goddess idea could simply be shorthand for "goddess of fertility, food, tribe, keeping us safe, etc."  It seems pretty obvious that an Iron or Bronze Age culture would be focused on the various aspects of fertility, since that is central to survival.

OTOH, the mother goddess model could also be related to Gimbuta's discredited "Great Universal Mother" idea.  This is the idea that all ancient cultures worshiped basically the same over-arching GREAT MOTHER, which, in turn, produced societies that were matriarchal and therefore free of violence.  This idea also leads to labeling any female-shaped figurine as a goddess, when we really don't have much of a clue if that was true.  Those figurines could just as well have been Iron Age Barbie dolls or unflattering snapshots of someone's mother-in-law.   Wink

Either way, there are Celtic goddesses who are described in the more reliable literature specifically as "mother goddesses", although their names mostly have not survived, and there are goddesses who are described in other ways.  F'ex, Brighid is not *usually* described as a mother goddess.  In fact, there is significant confusion in the literature about whether She had children and how many.  However, She does have fertility associations, and *Saint* Brigid is associated with foster mothering and easing childbirth, even though she was described as a virgin.  (Interestingly, I've also seen an interpretation that suggested Saint Brigid was a lesbian.)  (And now that I've said that, I bet someone will want the citation. Tongue )

I more meant hearth as in the symbolic (and literal) center of the home and family. Hestia is a good example, although not from the pantheon I'm focusing on at this time. 

I'll try to go through my books to see if I can turn up goddesses specifically linked to hearth and home.  In the meantime, look at Rosmerta (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/r/rosmerta.html) and Nantosuelta (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/n/nantosuelta.html).  These links have only very basic info, but it either rings a bell for you, you can pursue it and I can also look it up for you or give you cites to relevant books.

Specifically Irish/Gaelic, although I'm open to any Celtic goddess.

The word "Gael" can cause some confusion.  In the academic Celtic literature, as I understand it, "Gael" usually refers specifically to the group of people descended from the Sons of Mil, who emigrated to Ireland from the Iberian peninsula.  This is the group that became dominant in Ireland after they defeated the Tuatha De Danann.

The modern, non-academic use of "Gael", OTOH, is usually something like "people who speak Gaelic; primarily people in Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man" or a similar variation.

Which way are you using it?  That would make a difference in the geographic area you're interested in.
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« Reply #9: March 03, 2009, 03:26:30 pm »


I'll try to go through my books to see if I can turn up goddesses specifically linked to hearth and home.  In the meantime, look at Rosmerta (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/r/rosmerta.html) and Nantosuelta (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/n/nantosuelta.html).  These links have only very basic info, but it either rings a bell for you, you can pursue it and I can also look it up for you or give you cites to relevant books.

Thanks, doing that right now!! Rosmerta seems interesting, and Nantosuelta definitely as well... both Gaulish of course.  I've been relatively AGAOG (all gods are one god) in my beliefs and I'm exploring alternative theologies now; I wanted very much to respect the individuality of the deities in their separate pantheons... However, my ancestry is from continental Europe as well as the isles, so I imagine I could extend my focus to include that pantheon as well. It may simply be what is right for me.



The modern, non-academic use of "Gael", OTOH, is usually something like "people who speak Gaelic; primarily people in Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man" or a similar variation.

Which way are you using it?  That would make a difference in the geographic area you're interested in.

By Gaelic, I'm meaning this second way; the Goidelic/Q-Celtic sense.
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