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Author Topic: Earth Magic a seasonal guide to the old religion by Margaret McArthur  (Read 10017 times)
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« Reply #15: March 27, 2009, 05:26:38 pm »

I fondly hope to get a Masters degree someday studying the relationships between feminism, paganism, and goddess worship.

Fascinating topic!

Are there (reliable) books out there on this?
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« Reply #16: March 27, 2009, 07:39:40 pm »

Fascinating topic!

Are there (reliable) books out there on this?

Drawing Down the Moon by Margot Adler talks a little about it, but not in major detail, just from his experiences (or her's can't remember if the auther is a dude or a chic D: ). I liked the book. It's all mostly on neo-paganism I think.
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« Reply #17: March 28, 2009, 12:18:52 am »

Drawing Down the Moon by Margot Adler talks a little about it, but not in major detail, just from his experiences (or her's can't remember if the auther is a dude or a chic D: ). I liked the book. It's all mostly on neo-paganism I think.

Margot Adler is a her.   Smiley   http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2100166

It's been years -- well, decades really -- since I read Drawing Down the Moon.  And I think it's been undated since then.  Does the newer version go into the relationship of paganism and feminism?
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« Reply #18: March 28, 2009, 01:43:06 am »

Drawing Down the Moon by Margot Adler talks a little about it, but not in major detail, just from his experiences (or her's can't remember if the auther is a dude or a chic D: ). I liked the book. It's all mostly on neo-paganism I think.

She's a correspondent on National Public Radio.

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« Reply #19: March 28, 2009, 03:21:14 am »

I fondly hope to get a Masters degree someday studying the relationships between feminism, paganism, and goddess worship.

The California Institute of Integral Studies has a Women's Spirituality program (both an MA and a PhD), though I can't vouch for its quality, never having attended. Smiley I do know that the school is incredibly pagan-friendly, and (in its original incarnation as the American Academy of Asian Studies) was one of the major parts of the huge cultural movement in the 50s and 60s in the Bay Area.

(Hope this doesn't sound too much like a plug; my mom attends the school online, getting her PhD, and the time I spent at the campus was pretty cool. Like I said, though, I don't know what the Women's Spirituality program is like. Also not sure of your location, so it may be totally wrong for you. Thought I'd mention it though.)
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« Reply #20: March 28, 2009, 04:20:18 am »

I totally agree with your opinion about books that romanticize women's status in early Celtic culture, but I'm not sure I would describe this author's portrayal as proto-feminist utopia.

Condren does more than a little romanticizing.  As well as some outright speculating about the roles of women in pre-Christian Celtic societies, and how the societies behaved when women were allegedly "in charge".  That fact that she's never published any scholarly work about the Celts (female or otherwise) makes me even more dubious.  There simply isn't much evidence to support many of the conclusions in this book.

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« Reply #21: March 28, 2009, 05:17:25 am »

Condren does more than a little romanticizing. 

Thanks for the review.  I read almost everything about the Celts with a generous helping of salt, but it's really good to have more specific ideas of what to watch out for.
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« Reply #22: April 02, 2009, 08:12:09 pm »

Fascinating topic!

Are there (reliable) books out there on this?

If there are, I haven't seen any. I'm reading a book about by Cynthia Eller about the matriarchal utopia myth: The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory: Why An Invented Past Will Not Give Women a Future

The idea has really sprang out of reading Starhawk and poking around some Goddess spirituality forums. There's a nice strong current of third-wave feminism there. You might try looking into early Dianic writings by Z Budapest and her contemporaries, but that would really be second-wave feminism since we're talking mid-70s to mid-80s on that.

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« Reply #23: April 02, 2009, 10:19:20 pm »

Margot Adler is a her.   Smiley   http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2100166

It's been years -- well, decades really -- since I read Drawing Down the Moon.  And I think it's been undated since then.  Does the newer version go into the relationship of paganism and feminism?

Yes. I think the most recent was sometime this decade (03 I think?). I have the most recent copy and there is a section where she talks with feminist pagans and Reclaiming pagans. I think I've mentioned it before on here but when she interviews some of them it terrifies me because they talk about wanting to take over and have everyone worship the Goddess and how happy everyone will be because patriarchy is teh evulz. Bad shivers.  Sad
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« Reply #24: April 10, 2009, 05:47:24 pm »

Margot Adler is a her.   Smiley   http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2100166

It's been years -- well, decades really -- since I read Drawing Down the Moon.  And I think it's been undated since then.  Does the newer version go into the relationship of paganism and feminism?

 Sad I get genders mixed up when I read from authors. So sorry. I thought that at first.. I don't know what made me think the author was a dude. *bows* My mistake.
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« Reply #25: April 10, 2009, 07:00:07 pm »

Margot Adler is a her.

Threadjack:  I can't be the only one who gets a little giddy when she anchors a segment on NPR, right?  <blushes warmly>

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« Reply #26: July 09, 2009, 06:12:22 pm »

I'm not Wiccan, I don't do magic, and I haven't read this book.  But I wanted to reply because the title raised a big ol' red flag for me.  I just want to caution you to read anything claiming to have the goods on "the Old Religion" with a huge bag of salt.  You can find numerous threads here in which people far more knowledgeable than I explain just what's wrong with claims regarding religious practices or beliefs that have survived through the ages, particularly in Europe and particularly about witchcraft.


The title of the book you mention just rang those bells for me.
           
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Thirty years ago I was intiated in the New Forest in hampshire into a family of 'old Crafters'.Old Craft tend to use the term family rather than covern.
The old craft survived in the older and less populated areas
I stiill practise and teach the old ways in the new forest there is an old saying in England the proof of the pudding is in the eating so if you are ever in evening I am more than happy to show you how old craft differs from modern wiccan.The reason I wrote the book was that there was not another book like it at the time.
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« Reply #27: July 11, 2009, 03:12:44 pm »

Read the book and make ypur own mind up! Then come to the UK and experience the forces present in the New Forest. Oldcraft has survived. We do exist and we still operate. Some of us count ourselves very lucky to actually study under Margaret McArthur today.
Do not dismiss the idea of non-survival of evidence. Whatever has been said on this forum and in books and other media, there are still many unanswered questions about the survival of the Old Religion. Oldcraft practioners are not niave, we are well aware of the current situation, but I repeat there is a great deal of evidence that indicates some form of survival. It cannot definately be proven that it did not survive. I suggest that you research into the folklore of the areas of the UK where the Old Reliogion best survived. It is in the folklore that you will find the answer.
Read Ronald Hutton's book and although he comes to no definite conclusion, whilst doubting the continuity, he does say that much more research needs to be done, before the continuity debate can be ended with any certainty.
Meanwhile just get on with it. Your heart will lead you in the right direction if your Gods will it so.
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« Reply #28: July 11, 2009, 05:23:51 pm »

Read the book and make ypur own mind up!

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