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« Reply #60: October 18, 2009, 02:35:11 pm »

Aside from the point it made explicitly that the only actual lifting of holiday came from Passover, which is the origin of the word for the holiday in pretty much every language other than English?

Yes I got that for some languages, the name was lifted from Passover.  I don't think the bunny was from Passover however, nor the eggs.
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« Reply #61: October 18, 2009, 02:54:26 pm »

Fluffy bunnies and fundamentalists... Why not get right down to it?

So Witches, eclectics, Wiccans, and other neo-pagans all seem to have this problem of people not getting their facts straight. Some teenager, or hippy sees sparkles and pretty colors and wants to claim it for their own. That's one of the images I get when I see the phrase fluffy bunny.
I still don't completely understand what fluffy bunny is supposed to mean, and honestly it doesn't really matter to me, but I'm using it in here as an example of the "extremes" that the neo-pagan society has to deal with.

Fundamentalists: People who take their scriptures and bibles literally, will deny that a baseball is flying toward their face if the preacher says it's not there, and ultimately won't listen to the people telling them to duck. That's the picture I get. Not exactly the whole truth, but hey it's an example Smiley. Christians have to put up with that extreme.


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I think we should acknowledge the things we have in common. Then understand that no one is perfect, and we're all here to live and learn. The idea that someone might have that they need to step in someones way never makes any sense.
So what do we do? Ignore, and put up with the extremes, and problems that come with them? Is there another approach to lose the hate and rigidity? Somehow somewhere we're going to start sharing, and be open about our ideals, and beliefs. Hopefully commercialism won't beat us to it.

This is the end of my preaching. I had more ideas to put into this topic but right when I got to the last freaking paragraph I had a damn brain fart... So.. Irritating. Well, ideas?

Ah yes, the fluffy bunnies and the fundies.

Especially if you are young, it's very common to go to one extreme or the other. Some people can never have the ability to see the gray area, it's black and white to them all through their lives. They remain young.

I know that I definitely am a fluffy bunny. Hehe. ^^ However, I won't buy every single thing someone says until I have researched and come to the conclusion that what another person said is true, false, or somewhere in between.

What I mean when I say I know I am fluffy bunny is just I haven't really experienced that much when it comes to the pagan path and I used to have some beliefs that were pretty naive. I probably still am naive.

I guess all people can really do is try their best to find that balance if they can. Smiley And in the meantime, while YOU (I mean everyone in general) may not care for the fluffy bunny or fundie, shake your head, sigh, but still love them anyway.
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« Reply #62: October 18, 2009, 03:15:49 pm »

I know that I definitely am a fluffy bunny. Hehe. ^^ However, I won't buy every single thing someone says until I have researched and come to the conclusion that what another person said is true, false, or somewhere in between.

To me those 2 sentences negate each other.  Researching and coming to your own conclusion is the exact opposite of fluffy in my book.
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« Reply #63: October 18, 2009, 03:26:24 pm »

Yes I got that for some languages, the name was lifted from Passover.  I don't think the bunny was from Passover however, nor the eggs.

Which have about as much to do with Easter as a religious holiday as Tootsie Rolls do to Samhain.
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« Reply #64: October 19, 2009, 11:45:31 pm »

Easter:
http://www.ecauldron.net/christianitystoleeaster.php

As the Burning Times go, likely not many actual witches were put to death.  My memory's a little shaky, but I think the estimate I've seen of the total death toll was somewhere around maybe 100,000...  But most of those people were very likely Christians falsely accused.  Just because they were put to death in a witch trial doesn't mean they were actually witches.

Oh, when I said witches, I was referring to people put to death for being witches, not that they were in fact actual practicing witches. Sorry for the confusion.
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« Reply #65: October 20, 2009, 02:11:54 am »

Then where did Easter come from? How many witches were put to death in the burning times? Sorry to be fluffy, but these are two things I was taught and believe (d?) to be true. I was so convinced of its authenticty that I never checked in other, more historical sources.

Margot Adler (NPR correspondent, long-time Wiccan, and author of "Drawing Down the Moon") wrote a really good article about just this stuff.

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« Reply #66: October 20, 2009, 06:44:15 pm »

Margot Adler (NPR correspondent, long-time Wiccan, and author of "Drawing Down the Moon") wrote a really good article about just this stuff.
Oh, that is a well-done one!  <bookmarks>

And here is the paper by Jenny Gibbons, that Adler mentions in the article.

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« Reply #67: October 22, 2009, 11:40:26 pm »


I still don't completely understand what fluffy bunny is supposed to mean, and honestly it doesn't really matter to me,


I  fluffy bunny as the pagan equivalent of the Sunday Christian. A Sunday Christian  is a person who shows up for church  gives the spiritual belief lip service  then goes home and forgets all about God or the faith there of until next  Sunday.. There faith is superficial many will sit in  church for decades and not learn a damn thing . I read fluffy bunny to be the pagan equivalent


Fundamentalists: People who take their scriptures and bibles literally, will deny that a baseball is flying toward their face if the preacher says it's not there, and ultimately won't listen to the people telling them to duck. That's the picture I get. Not exactly the whole truth, but hey it's an example . Christians have to put up with that extreme.

Actually every one has to put up with those who are extremist. What  Christians have to deal with is the  non-Christian’s  stereotypes of them as a group  being based upon those extremes.   


What totally blows my mind is those  people  who complain about the stereotypes applied to them by those out side their group because of the actions of a few  extremist within their group  see absolutely nothing wrong with applying stereotypes  of other groups based  upon the actions of a few  extremist members from those other groups. The irony never ceases to amaze  me.   


The fuddy – gathering to mean short for fundamental as in  more vocal members of  evangical    Christianity

Other Christians  mostly refer  to them  as  “bible thumpers” and ” legalist”  Other names used by Christians when referring to these extremist members are  “messengers of Hell fire and brimstone”, “gloom and doom preachers”,” holier than thou”, “self righteous sons of a brisket eater”   or  just plain “nutso”. .


I do not know what pagans  call  other pagans who  are the same way as fuddies except they are pagans. 

Extremist end referred as fuddy  are over rigid,  using their own personal  beliefs and practices  as a means of evaluating the  spiritual walk of others  in the same spiritual group. Most of the time fuddies fined others beneath their own standards as they tend to  have an elevated view of  their own  spirituality 


 One of the easiest  fuddy  hallmarks to spot is  an  elitist attitude Fuddies not only ignore the observations of other but they also  believe that only  they {and the  members in their immediate group} have the true way to spirituality. While fuddies may have decent bit of knowledge regarding their own corner of faith , they can  often be the source of inaccurate stereotyping of people outside their circle whom  they know nothing about.

 Fuddies are not necessarily  lacking in intelligence   but they can be religiously   zealous to the point of stupidity especially when they feel threatened .

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Fuddies  tend to be all or nothing people who  are usually concrete thinkers . Like the fluffy bunny some people are normally flexible in all areas of their life save  the spiritual one.  Fuddies as describes here exist in all communities including this one 
 
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« Reply #68: October 22, 2009, 11:58:19 pm »

 
Fluffy bunnies and fundamentalists... Why not get right down to it?

So Witches, eclectics, Wiccans, and other neo-pagans all seem to have this problem of people not getting their facts straight.

Gee in my experience all groups have this problems not just pagans nor is dealing with stereotyping based solely upon the extreme traits of the few  restricted to spiritual groups. People with bipolar, ADHD and dyslexia have the same problem with  people who stereotype or simply do not have factual information.  These groups like  neo-pagans also  feel a lot of frustration  when dealing with people who insist upon spreading mis-information based little to no actual knowledge of the condition it self 


I still don't completely understand what fluffy bunny is supposed to mean, and honestly it doesn't really matter to me, but I'm using it in here as an example of the "extremes" that the neo-pagan society has to deal with.

As stated above  all groups have people who fall on  one end of the extreme and then people who reside on  the opposite other end of the extreme. Without these two opposing  poles there would be no middle ground {IMHO}



Extremes happen in all of nature also. Animals have their own extremes.  I have cats and some of my cats are  extremely  aggressive where as I have others who are extremely  timid.Most of my cats are in-between these two polar extremes – thankfully

 Humans  as a species just seem to have more choices as in what we can be extreme about. 




So what do we do? Ignore, and put up with the extremes, and problems that come with them? Is there another approach to lose the hate and rigidity? Somehow somewhere we're going to start sharing, and be open about our ideals, and beliefs. Hopefully commercialism won't beat us to it.


Now for the extreme end of honesty 

If I ever find the “cure” for extremism , hate or stereotyping  in all honestly the last thing I would do is post it in public. Heck no I would get a patent and sale it so I would never have to go to this thing I call a job ever again. Grin




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« Reply #69: November 18, 2009, 09:41:25 pm »

Actually, I appreciate you starting this topic. I'd always just figured fluffy bunnies were basically just spacy/dingy/ditzy pagans. Basically the blond stereotype within the 'pagan community.' Now I have a much more (more than necessary I admit) specific feel for how the stereotype is viewed from a variety of perspectives.

And I am so glad I wasn't alone in misinterpreting 'Fluffy Bunny'...

The first picture that comes into my head is the type of Pagan who insists on the happy side of life - the ones who insist that Nature is gentle and caring all the time and that the Goddess loves you no matter what...
I say 'the Goddess' because usually see a Wiccan (not that all of them are, not even that other faiths aren't subject to them.  I know Christians who fall under what I would term "fluffy bunny", but Wiccan, I think, is one of the better-known 'neo-pagan' faiths and therefore more likely to attract beginners and thereby Fluffies).

These people annoy me because of their lack of information in other areas, but most of all the idea that Paganism somehow liberates you from religious responsibility - taking the idea of "do what feels right to you" too far and believing that it doesn't really matter what you do, but forgetting the part where you're supposed to respect the deities, and not use them when you want/can/feel like it.  I know that they usually don't intend to "use" the gods, and believe that they respect them, but a respect that is on one's own terms, rather than the terms of the entity being respected, never really felt right to me at all.

So yeah, sorry about the rant, and thanks for clearing up the term confusion.  Out of curiosity, is there a term for this type of person?  Or are they just your average airhead?
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« Reply #70: November 19, 2009, 09:02:46 am »


Gee in my experience all groups have this problems not just pagans nor is dealing with stereotyping based solely upon the extreme traits of the few  restricted to spiritual groups.

Um.. the whole point of this thread was to address pagans. Otherwise it wouldn't be in a pagan forum. Why do I feel like you didn't read my whole first post, and attempted to read between the lines before you felt the need to correct me about stereotyping? If I wanted it to be about stereotypes I would have titled it STEREOTYPES OF THE MODERN WORLD, or something smart, and professional sounding like that. Hmm or I could just write a book!

Sure it's probably an impossible goal to get others to see eye to eye, but at least some are trying, and not just lumping each other into groups, so they don't have to deal with one another. Thank you for keeping this thread alive. *cough* Damn you! *cough cough*
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« Reply #71: June 13, 2011, 01:51:51 pm »

Okay so i couldn't find a specific to focus on so i took the whole quote.

As far as fluffy bunnies go I gotta say personally i am not a fan of neo pagan/wicca/ whatever you want to call them. This is why so you can understand where some of the annoyance comes from. A lot of the new age stuff is snippets from other belief systems spped together and called something new, lol metaphysics 2.0. They take a lot of things but they lack the understanding of why it is the way it is and how it works. That is why i prefer the old religions. Wicca is not an old religion and even THAT has been broken down into sub categories. It's like saying "Okay well this applies to me and this applies but i'm going to forget the other stuff because i don't agree with it. Really if you think about it they are just like fundies except rather than a preacher saying the ball isn't there a half baked magick book from an uncredible source is telling them.

I will give an example. I am a racial mutt. Irish, sweedish, dutch, choctaw, chicasaw, black, and rumored cherokee. I grew up on stomp grounds. So i grew up on the culture and the religion. When I see white people try to mimick it. Make a circle build a fire and tromp around it, calling it a stomp ground I either want to snicker or sneer. There is a process to it. Not just what you see. It is hundreds of years of a system that gets thrown out the window cause someone think its just dancing around a fire. In reality it is one fire. The way it moves or multiplies is from taking from another stomp fire. You can't just build a fire and call it a stomp ground. Much like the olympic torch. That is how the power is spread. Their are appointed firekeepers, clan houses, singers, shakers. It is a dynamic. So when you get someone that plays copy cat you kinda get insulted because they don't understand what it really is. It really is stealing someones heritage.

If you are going to do it, do it the right way. No if a whit person was adopted or had permission from another legitimate grounds elder it would have been perfectly acceptable. I hope this made sense.

As for fundies, what can i say ignorance is bliss. Humans who say no human can understand the will of their god but then say they do. If i recall there were also people that ate poison jello and tried to ride a comet. Is it dangerous, yes. Is it ignorant, yes. Keep in mind though that it aways catches up to them. Personally I can sit back and watch them destroy themselves. The earth always takes itself back Smiley.

You sound, to me, like a Pagan Fundamentalist.

Claiming to be legitimately following a native tradition while doing it all wrong is deceptive and insulting.  Having a fire and dancing around it while singing songs that may be a mishmash of traditions or made up as originals while openly claiming it as doing your own thing, not attempting to claim some sort of deep connection with older traditions, there's nothing wrong with that at all.

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« Reply #72: June 13, 2011, 02:00:35 pm »

Isn't the problem that often the interpretation of those facts are still subjective?

"You do not have to be initiated to be a Wiccan".

Fluffy or not?  For me, that would depend entirely on where you're standing...

As misinformed as "you don't need to believe in Christ to be a Christian"  Initiation is a fundamental of Wicca,  if you are not initiated, perhaps you are someone who wishes to become Wiccan, but you are not yet Wiccan.
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« Reply #73: June 13, 2011, 02:11:28 pm »

Easter:
http://www.ecauldron.net/christianitystoleeaster.php

As the Burning Times go, likely not many actual witches were put to death.  My memory's a little shaky, but I think the estimate I've seen of the total death toll was somewhere around maybe 100,000...  But most of those people were very likely Christians falsely accused.  Just because they were put to death in a witch trial doesn't mean they were actually witches.

That page pretty much says that Easter traditions were, indeed, appropriated from Pagans.  The name is the same and the traditions (eggs and bunnies) are the same.  For the author of the page the eggs and bunnies are not the important part, for most people celebrating the holiday, they are.

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« Reply #74: June 13, 2011, 02:12:29 pm »

Which have about as much to do with Easter as a religious holiday as Tootsie Rolls do to Samhain.

More than you might think.
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