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« Topic Start: May 28, 2009, 08:41:28 am »

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The Discovery Institute – the Seattle-based headquarters of the intelligent design movement – has just launched a new website, Faith and Evolution, which asks, can one be a Christian and accept evolution? The answer, as far as the Discovery Institute is concerned, is a resounding: No.

The new website appears to be a response to the recent launch of the BioLogos Foundation, the brainchild of geneticist Francis Collins, former head of the Human Genome Project and rumoured Obama appointee-to-be for head of the National Institutes of Health.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17203-christians-battle-each-other-over-evolution.html

Faith and Evolution: http://www.faithandevolution.org/
BioLogos Foundation: http://www.biologos.org/
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« Reply #1: May 28, 2009, 11:00:50 am »


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The Discovery Institute has now made it crystal clear that they have no interest in reconciling science and religion – instead, they want their brand of religion to replace science.

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« Reply #2: May 28, 2009, 11:08:47 am »

From the article:

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« Reply #3: May 28, 2009, 11:54:16 am »

Back to the Dark Ages.....

No hypocrisy, though.  I'm sure none of them drives a car, uses a computer, takes antibiotics...

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« Reply #4: May 28, 2009, 11:57:12 am »

No hypocrisy, though.  I'm sure none of them drives a car, uses a computer, takes antibiotics...

Brina

If they truly believe in this, then they should live like the Amish....
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« Reply #5: May 28, 2009, 01:35:15 pm »

If they truly believe in this, then they should live like the Amish....

excuse me, last time I looked, the AMish ride in cars, trains, etc, ride bicycles, use atnibiotics, use telephones when they need to (but don't have them in their houses) and so on. 
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« Reply #6: May 28, 2009, 02:22:58 pm »

excuse me, last time I looked, the AMish ride in cars, trains, etc, ride bicycles, use atnibiotics, use telephones when they need to (but don't have them in their houses) and so on. 

You have a point - maybe they all need to turn back the clock a few hundred years.  I seems hypocritical to do anything else.
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« Reply #7: May 28, 2009, 04:54:26 pm »

You have a point - maybe they all need to turn back the clock a few hundred years.  I seems hypocritical to do anything else.

Why turn the clock back, when you can have a choice if you don't? 
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« Reply #8: May 28, 2009, 04:57:54 pm »

Why turn the clock back, when you can have a choice if you don't? 

They don't want US to have a choice either.  That's the point.

I really don't care if they want to believe the science is somehow wrong and Satan's pulling a fast one with the whole evolution schtic.  I think it's nuts, but hey, not my problem.

But they want to teach MY CHILD that the science says something OTHER THAN WHAT IT DOES.  And they want to do it with MY tax dollars and with MY consent, and they want to make us all stupid enough to go along with it.

And that I completely and totally object to.  You can believe whatever whackass shit you want to on your own time - but don't teach it to my kid and call it science when it isn't.  Subject it to the same damn standards as everything else or shut the hell up.

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« Reply #9: May 28, 2009, 05:20:23 pm »

They don't want US to have a choice either.  That's the point.

I really don't care if they want to believe the science is somehow wrong and Satan's pulling a fast one with the whole evolution schtic.  I think it's nuts, but hey, not my problem.

But they want to teach MY CHILD that the science says something OTHER THAN WHAT IT DOES.  And they want to do it with MY tax dollars and with MY consent, and they want to make us all stupid enough to go along with it.

And that I completely and totally object to.  You can believe whatever whackass shit you want to on your own time - but don't teach it to my kid and call it science when it isn't.  Subject it to the same damn standards as everything else or shut the hell up.

IMO. Tongue

Exactly!  And this is why I think they should walk the walk and turn back time, because otherwise they are picking and choosing what bits of science they like.  Which Mandrina reminded me the Amish do.  Hypocritical!
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« Reply #10: May 28, 2009, 05:25:10 pm »

excuse me, last time I looked, the AMish ride in cars, trains, etc, ride bicycles, use atnibiotics, use telephones when they need to (but don't have them in their houses) and so on.  

I think you might be referring to the Mennonites (sp). As I understand it, they are an offshoot of the traditional Amish though there are a few Amish communities that are becoming more progressive much to the dismay of some of the "elders" as well as some steadfast members.

Anyways I agree with HeartShadow..public school has its own function and if there are parents who are more comfortable teaching religion to their kids then that is what parochial schools are for and it is high time that our representatives grow a spine for once and tell these religious groups that there is a place for everything..and public school is not there to teach religion..that is the job of the parents.

In fact I think any activity that isn't dealing directly with education is the sole responsibility of the parents, this includes all matters in art and sports too...but that is another matter.

Sorry if I sound disjointed but this force-feeding of religion really irks me sometimes.
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« Reply #11: May 28, 2009, 05:28:31 pm »

But they want to teach MY CHILD that the science says something OTHER THAN WHAT IT DOES.  And they want to do it with MY tax dollars and with MY consent, and they want to make us all stupid enough to go along with it.

Yes, that's exactly the problem. They want to change science education so that it matches their religious views. Not just for children attending their private Christian schools, but for all children. I don't care if they want to believe that science is wrong and their religion is right on how the Earth was made and how life got here, but they don't need to be teaching their religion as science in public schools.

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« Reply #12: May 28, 2009, 06:15:13 pm »

In fact I think any activity that isn't dealing directly with education is the sole responsibility of the parents, this includes all matters in art and sports too...but that is another matter.

Without disagreeing with your point at all, which are the subjectst hat you would approve of in public education? Should all cultural education be banned (along with, belief systems, art and sport)?
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« Reply #13: May 28, 2009, 06:26:53 pm »

I really don't care if they want to believe the science is somehow wrong and Satan's pulling a fast one with the whole evolution schtic.

I'm amused that they imagine themselves science-savvy enough to know that one area of study is way off base while another is okey dokey.  That's not just crazy.  It's bone ignorant.

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« Reply #14: May 28, 2009, 06:57:30 pm »

I'm amused that they imagine themselves science-savvy enough to know that one area of study is way off base while another is okey dokey.  That's not just crazy.  It's bone ignorant.

Brina

Because, after all, wouldn't the science that can kill people be part of Satan's schtick LONG before anthropology?
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