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« Topic Start: July 03, 2009, 08:16:55 pm »

I just read in this runic workbook that you can only divine with 24 runes even if you are using the Anglo Saxon version which has 33??? This confuses me because, when you use the tarot you have over 78 possible choice to divine the future with so therefore the more precise the telling will be...so to me it just makes sense to use more runes.  So why does he give this omniscient warning? At least that's the way it appeared in the book...
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« Reply #1: July 03, 2009, 08:41:53 pm »

I just read in this runic workbook that you can only divine with 24 runes even if you are using the Anglo Saxon version which has 33??? This confuses me because, when you use the tarot you have over 78 possible choice to divine the future with so therefore the more precise the telling will be...so to me it just makes sense to use more runes.  So why does he give this omniscient warning? At least that's the way it appeared in the book...

It's really hard to answer this question without knowing more about the context. Who wrote the book - and what's it called? What stuff does the author say around that place about the topic?

Honestly, do what works - but know where what you're doing comes from. My covenmate and I are doing some work with the Anglo-Saxon runes, but we made the decision to discard the ones where all the known info is "We think this might mean X", and keep the ones where there's at least a fragmentary poem bit. (We may later rethink this, but for right now, wanted to start somewhere that had some historical underpinning *somehow*.)

Is that the right decision for everyone? Probably not, few decisions are. But it made sense for us, and we're getting fairly sensible readings out of it.
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« Reply #2: July 04, 2009, 04:10:14 am »

I just read in this runic workbook that you can only divine with 24 runes even if you are using the Anglo Saxon version which has 33??? This confuses me because, when you use the tarot you have over 78 possible choice to divine the future with so therefore the more precise the telling will be...so to me it just makes sense to use more runes.  So why does he give this omniscient warning? At least that's the way it appeared in the book...
For a good book on the runes I'd recommend 'Rudimentary Runelore' by Pollington. Bear in mind that we can't be sure the runes were ever used for divination (magic? yes, divination? not so sure) and consequently everyone's methods are invented. That's not to say some aren't better than others (blank rune anyone?  Roll Eyes  ) but I take all books on divining with the runes with a huge bucketload of salt. Personally I think it's as valid to divine with them as with any other system of symbols. But anyone saying you must do it X way, or Y way is likely talking out of their nether regions.

 
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« Reply #3: July 04, 2009, 01:12:08 pm »

It's really hard to answer this question without knowing more about the context. Who wrote the book - and what's it called? What stuff does the author say around that place about the topic?

Honestly, do what works - but know where what you're doing comes from. My covenmate and I are doing some work with the Anglo-Saxon runes, but we made the decision to discard the ones where all the known info is "We think this might mean X", and keep the ones where there's at least a fragmentary poem bit. (We may later rethink this, but for right now, wanted to start somewhere that had some historical underpinning *somehow*.)

Is that the right decision for everyone? Probably not, few decisions are. But it made sense for us, and we're getting fairly sensible readings out of it.
unfortunately I do not have the book with me...I'm at a friends house for the weekend...if you wouldn't mind cking back to this post on monday I will have the book title and author for you....but the book basicly just said that you have to take out several of the runes 6 or 7 to make it 24 and that if you were to use all 33 it would muddle the ability of the runes to predict accurately.  It is true that the extra runes towards the end have less information about them but there are rune poems for some of them and you could just use the poems to grasp the meanings for your self, although the poems are vague.  Which it sounds like you are doing already but it sucks that they don't have poems for all of the extra runes.  Is it that they are lost or that they never had poems for them?
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« Reply #4: July 04, 2009, 01:17:14 pm »

For a good book on the runes I'd recommend 'Rudimentary Runelore' by Pollington. Bear in mind that we can't be sure the runes were ever used for divination (magic? yes, divination? not so sure) and consequently everyone's methods are invented. That's not to say some aren't better than others (blank rune anyone?  Roll Eyes  ) but I take all books on divining with the runes with a huge bucketload of salt. Personally I think it's as valid to divine with them as with any other system of symbols. But anyone saying you must do it X way, or Y way is likely talking out of their nether regions.

 
well from what I've read there is an account from a Roman either historian or fighter I think it was a fighter who said that he saw a shamen using the runes and describes how he did it.  It's one of the only accounts the books I've read uses to tell people how to do it the "old school" way, which is to cast the lot onto the ground, with eyes looking upward, call the gods and pic 3 pieces and then tell the future from there.  But I COMPLETELY hear you on the blank rune thing.  When I found out about it I was pissed off.  Don't even get me started.  But I like what you are saying there is alot of truth to it, they don't know too much about how the runes were used so who is to say x or y is the correct way to do things.
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« Reply #5: July 06, 2009, 12:56:11 pm »

well from what I've read there is an account from a Roman either historian or fighter I think it was a fighter who said that he saw a shamen using the runes and describes how he did it.  It's one of the only accounts the books I've read uses to tell people how to do it the "old school" way, which is to cast the lot onto the ground, with eyes looking upward, call the gods and pic 3 pieces and then tell the future from there.  But I COMPLETELY hear you on the blank rune thing.  When I found out about it I was pissed off.  Don't even get me started.  But I like what you are saying there is alot of truth to it, they don't know too much about how the runes were used so who is to say x or y is the correct way to do things.
IIRC it doesn't specify runes. It's probably Tacitus' 'Germania' mentioned in the current thread on rune books. Still haven't got round to reading that Embarrassed
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« Reply #6: July 06, 2009, 03:50:25 pm »

IIRC it doesn't specify runes. It's probably Tacitus' 'Germania' mentioned in the current thread on rune books. Still haven't got round to reading that Embarrassed
I'm going to ck the book but off hand I believe you are right...
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« Reply #7: July 07, 2009, 11:33:16 am »

It's really hard to answer this question without knowing more about the context. Who wrote the book - and what's it called? What stuff does the author say around that place about the topic?
well the name of the book is The Runic Workbook ....Understanding and using the power of runes  By Tony Willis...ever heard of it...copyright 1986 seems to be a good book...on the anglo saxon side of the runes...helped me to understand bind runes a little better...I dont' know what do you think?
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« Reply #8: June 12, 2011, 01:28:31 pm »

I just read in this runic workbook that you can only divine with 24 runes even if you are using the Anglo Saxon version which has 33??? This confuses me because, when you use the tarot you have over 78 possible choice to divine the future with so therefore the more precise the telling will be...so to me it just makes sense to use more runes.  So why does he give this omniscient warning? At least that's the way it appeared in the book...

Can't b sure, but I think Alearic Albertsson covers divination with the full Futhorc set in his book 'Wyrdworking'.

The warning does sound a bit 'omniscient' doesn't it?! I wouldn't be so dogmatic myself.......

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« Reply #9: July 03, 2011, 03:51:53 pm »


I am also working with my runes as well. I have the book and set by Ralf Blaum but I ended up tossing it to the side. Cleansing my runes and then I just went back to learning from the internet. Well that is all in all for the moment Learning the meanings of each one. Which takes time and practice so I hear and Learned.

also to further my own learning I hand made my mother a set of the 24 for her birthday on the 11th. She is by no means a pagan or druid of Anglo. However she has interests in psychics so I thought this would be cool.

The box they are kept in has a bind rune on the top of it as well as various runes on top in the corners and various spots on the box. inside is a message from me, as well as a like a wedding "sweets bag" that contained the runes in it... Over all not bad but still kinda amature since it was my first time Smiley
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