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« Topic Start: May 03, 2007, 02:23:22 pm »

Sen. McCaskill not welcome at Catholic school commencement

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Edited to add: And yes. I do know this was a private school that disinvited Sen. McCaskill. I'm thinking more here about how the Cathoic church is possibly influencing the electoral process more than anything.
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« Reply #1: May 03, 2007, 05:49:13 pm »

Sen. McCaskill not welcome at Catholic school commencement

http://tinyurl.com/39bzt6

Edited to add: And yes. I do know this was a private school that disinvited Sen. McCaskill. I'm thinking more here about how the Cathoic church is possibly influencing the electoral process more than anything.

Not sure that it isn't the correct decision.  The Church, as an organization has taken a stance. The rules of the organization are that the top clergy officially make all the decisions. If you don't like the theology of the religion, then either find a way to change the theology or change religions.
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« Reply #2: May 03, 2007, 05:53:25 pm »

Not sure that it isn't the correct decision.  The Church, as an organization has taken a stance. The rules of the organization are that the top clergy officially make all the decisions. If you don't like the theology of the religion, then either find a way to change the theology or change religions.

(You and I are probably going to completely disagree on this.)

My stance on Burke's position is that the Catholic church is certainly within its rights to take the position they choose to take. No argument there. The problem I have is when they try to affect elections. Now, that's definitely not what's happening here, but Burke has got a serious history of politicizing his religious views. For that, I'm certainly happy to accomdate him provided he pays taxes like everyone else. It's a pay to play thing with me.
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« Reply #3: May 03, 2007, 05:59:24 pm »

Now, that's definitely not what's happening here, but Burke has got a serious history of politicizing his religious views. For that, I'm certainly happy to accomdate him provided he pays taxes like everyone else. It's a pay to play thing with me.

I agree, that's really not what is happening here, but Burke does have a track record of trying to use this religious authority to affect elections and worse, to influence elected Caltholic officials to vote the Catholic church position on select issues even if that is not what a majority of the people in their district would have them do.  To me, Burke is screaming "Tax those churches under my authority as I am using them to influence politics!"
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« Reply #4: May 03, 2007, 06:20:11 pm »

I agree, that's really not what is happening here, but Burke does have a track record of trying to use this religious authority to affect elections and worse, to influence elected Caltholic officials to vote the Catholic church position on select issues even if that is not what a majority of the people in their district would have them do.  To me, Burke is screaming "Tax those churches under my authority as I am using them to influence politics!"

I think it's the personal bit that bothers me. Pretty obviously the church has taken certain positions, as it should, but there's no consistency within the US hierarchy as to how to approach parishioners who take opposing views or simply advocate that the constituency isn't just one religion.
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« Reply #5: May 03, 2007, 06:23:57 pm »

I think it's the personal bit that bothers me. Pretty obviously the church has taken certain positions, as it should, but there's no consistency within the US hierarchy as to how to approach parishioners who take opposing views or simply advocate that the constituency isn't just one religion.

And Burke is very selective in which positions he wants to punish. I don't see him going after politicians who don't support caring for the poor and the sick or the like.
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« Reply #6: May 03, 2007, 11:01:31 pm »

Sen. McCaskill not welcome at Catholic school commencement

http://tinyurl.com/39bzt6

Edited to add: And yes. I do know this was a private school that disinvited Sen. McCaskill. I'm thinking more here about how the Cathoic church is possibly influencing the electoral process more than anything.

Burke is an ass. He makes me glad I'm not a Catholic so I don't have to listen to him.

He's been getting a lot of press time this week, what with the McCaskill thing and resigning from the board of Cardinal Glennon children's hospital because they wouldn't disinvite Sheryl Crow to their benefit. What a way to make a statement--I can't tolerate the presence of someone who thinks differently from me long enough to come together to raise money for sick children...

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« Reply #7: May 03, 2007, 11:06:56 pm »

He's been getting a lot of press time this week, what with the McCaskill thing and resigning from the board of Cardinal Glennon children's hospital because they wouldn't disinvite Sheryl Crow to their benefit. What a way to make a statement--I can't tolerate the presence of someone who thinks differently from me long enough to come together to raise money for sick children...

I suspect Jesus would have had no problem attending for a good cause like that. Of course, he hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors and had someone from Samaria as the hero of a parable.
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« Reply #8: May 03, 2007, 11:12:29 pm »

Burke is an ass. He makes me glad I'm not a Catholic so I don't have to listen to him.

He's been getting a lot of press time this week, what with the McCaskill thing and resigning from the board of Cardinal Glennon children's hospital because they wouldn't disinvite Sheryl Crow to their benefit. What a way to make a statement--I can't tolerate the presence of someone who thinks differently from me long enough to come together to raise money for sick children...

Sigh.

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I saw he pitched a fit and resigned. All I can say is I'm very glad the hospital stuck to its guns on that benefit.
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« Reply #9: May 04, 2007, 04:39:42 am »

Burke is an ass. He makes me glad I'm not a Catholic so I don't have to listen to him.

He's been getting a lot of press time this week, what with the McCaskill thing and resigning from the board of Cardinal Glennon children's hospital because they wouldn't disinvite Sheryl Crow to their benefit. What a way to make a statement--I can't tolerate the presence of someone who thinks differently from me long enough to come together to raise money for sick children...

What was his beef with Sheryl Crow?  I think I missed that particular story.
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« Reply #10: May 04, 2007, 06:24:21 am »

What was his beef with Sheryl Crow?  I think I missed that particular story.

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« Reply #11: January 08, 2009, 12:24:58 pm »

Not sure that it isn't the correct decision.  The Church, as an organization has taken a stance. The rules of the organization are that the top clergy officially make all the decisions. If you don't like the theology of the religion, then either find a way to change the theology or change religions.
    -I think that to often " The Church, as an organization " is let off the hook when high ranking priest take inflammatory and/or political positions. These same high ranking priest are in fact speaking for the church, as I under stand " The Church, as an organization ". It is the duty of the church to correct their own spokespersons. Or take the heat.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12: January 08, 2009, 09:09:39 pm »

Sen. McCaskill not welcome at Catholic school commencement

http://tinyurl.com/39bzt6

Edited to add: And yes. I do know this was a private school that disinvited Sen. McCaskill. I'm thinking more here about how the Cathoic church is possibly influencing the electoral process more than anything.


I'm not opposed to the Catholic Church doing everything in its power to alienate and enrage pro-choice Catholics. That's the birth religion of a respectable fraction of today's Pagan community.

The diverse religions of Pagandom don't have to work very hard at making converts...the Christian Right does all the hard work for us.
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« Reply #13: January 09, 2009, 09:07:33 am »


You know, the level of anti-Catholic bigotry that's been present on this forum of late is starting to make me feel extremely uncomfortable.
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« Reply #14: January 09, 2009, 09:25:51 am »

You know, the level of anti-Catholic bigotry that's been present on this forum of late is starting to make me feel extremely uncomfortable.

I think some of that might be my fault. For some reason, the news stories I'm seeing/posting seem geared towards that. Usually it's fundie Protestantism, but lately it's been the Catholic Church taking the hits.

I suspect there's going to be a post from either Randall or me about some of what we're seeing, because in the last week or so, it's gotten pretty bad.
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