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« Reply #30: January 05, 2010, 09:34:14 pm »

The most I know of the Apollonian/Dionysian dualism is what I've read in Nietzsche and thought about at his prompting. And though I certainly recognize it in usual life, and did before reading Nietzsche, I can't say I have ever seriously thought about anything but their unity, and the means to it. I almost consider my life an experiment in doing that.
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« Reply #31: January 05, 2010, 10:02:02 pm »

I can't say I have ever seriously thought about anything but their unity, and the means to it. I almost consider my life an experiment in doing that.
Care to elaborate? What do you mean by their unity? How do YOU try to achieve it? Why?

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« Reply #32: January 06, 2010, 05:06:21 pm »

The most I know of the Apollonian/Dionysian dualism is what I've read in Nietzsche and thought about at his prompting. And though I certainly recognize it in usual life, and did before reading Nietzsche, I can't say I have ever seriously thought about anything but their unity, and the means to it. I almost consider my life an experiment in doing that.
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« Reply #33: January 28, 2010, 11:03:48 pm »

Care to elaborate? What do you mean by their unity? How do YOU try to achieve it? Why?

And welcome to TC!

I apologize for replying so long after the fact. College is a lot of hoopla.

I'm not sure I remember exactly where I was speaking from any longer; my center of gravity shifts so often, so to say. Speaking of which, though, I suppose you could say that 'balance' would be a clearer term. 'Unity' may be a little overambitious, I don't know.

Whatever, I conceive of the balance/unity of Apollonian and Dionysian forces as ultimately a sort of automatism, or a realization of complete determinism. An illustrative analogy would be a living statue -- it would be a state of being very stern, solid, and relatively invincible, but not without fluidity and a very pervasive aspect of creation. You might even say it would be like being in a continual dream-state while in waking life. There would be no inhibitions, no spiritual depressions, no resistances whatsoever*, but only clear, precise activity flowing ever outwards.

*Not to say that it would be anything like omnipotence, ha! But it would involve a degree of "instinct" high enough that every experience, "negative" or "positive," whatever it was, would be a matter of learning and self-expansion. The depressive emotions - shame, sadness, pity, fear - would be immediately used as instruments for insight rather than allowed to pollute the body and its activities. Changing conditions could be seamlessly adapted to with no loss. Every moment of life would be gain and growth, every challenge would be matched.

As a matter of fact, what I'm thinking may not even deserve to be spoken about. How should I know what goes on in other people? For all I know I could be the only one with such an illness that I would even need to think about these things. I used to wonder whether I might not be just as naive as a child, but then I spoke to a child that knew better. I may even be abusing the terms Apollonian and Dionysian!

As to why, well, I suppose it's easiest to say I'm a completionist. I want nothing excluded, nothing missing. This conveys my reason pretty well: "One is All and through it is All and by it is All and if you have not All, All is Nothing."

Basically I want to devour existence, and I've got to combat digestive problems.  Cheesy  



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« Reply #34: January 29, 2010, 09:59:57 am »

Basically I want to devour existence, and I've got to combat digestive problems.  Cheesy 
Smiley Great closing. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
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