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« Topic Start: August 25, 2009, 12:10:01 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.
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« Reply #1: August 25, 2009, 01:00:48 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

I'm Kemetic, so I'd be speaking from that view. As far as I know, pornography (watching or participating) wouldn't be wrong for our branch of paganism. Sexuality was promoted and embraced back then, and sexual acts weren't taboo or frowned upon, so for us, it would be okay. However, from what I have read, most pagan branches are okay with sexual acts- whether for money, on video, whatever. Though I can't say it's an absolute all across the board.

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« Reply #2: August 25, 2009, 07:34:28 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

I don't think you're going to get a good, solid answer to that.  In the first place, it's difficult to say what "paganism" thinks about any one thing, since that word covers so many religions that sometimes have little in common with each other beyond not being Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.  In the second place, I'm not sure it's quite as simple an issue as "porn is either bad or it's OK" anyway.  There are a lot of issues involved there--not just attitudes toward sex and having sex for money, but issues about exploitation, about objectification, any number of other things.
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« Reply #3: August 25, 2009, 08:08:36 am »

I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

I don't think "Paganism" has a position on pornography as there are too many vary different religions under the Pagan umbrella -- and they are so many different issues involved in "pornography."  Since few Pagan religions consider the human body or sex bad or something that should be hidden away, few Pagan religions are going to object to porn on the basis that it is pictures of naked people having sex. However, there are other issues surrounding pornography such that the fact that the porn industry is often very exploitive, etc. that some Pagan religions and some Pagans may object to even if they have no problems with pictures of naked people having sex.
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« Reply #4: August 25, 2009, 08:15:59 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

For me it's not porn itself, but the TYPE of porn.

Things that celebrate rape, or exploitation, or other things that are morally objectionable - that's a problem.

It's not the act of sex for money, on camera or not, that's a problem - that bothers me, but it's not a religious bothered.  It's what's going on around that sex, and what that's saying to the viewer, that needs to be evaluated.
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« Reply #5: August 25, 2009, 08:26:22 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

Since the understanding of what Paganism is or.. is not has been mentioned, I sit here wondering...

Is it that you look for a religion that Allows it? Help you feel you aren't breaking some rule or such?
plus, I always wonder what this Need is in people to feel they have to search for a religion or need one in their life.
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« Reply #6: August 25, 2009, 10:02:38 am »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

I have conflicted feelings about the word porn, as that conjures thoughts of exploitation, humiliation, and degradation.  So I tend to make a distinction between porn and erotica.  Porn has all those connotations for me.  Erotica doesn't, and I have no problem with sexually explicit fiction*, pictures, and films, so long as there is/was no exploitation, coersion, or degradation of those involved in creating it.

*I'd be a hypocrite if I did, as a good deal of the stories I write are sexually explicit.
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« Reply #7: August 25, 2009, 10:44:41 am »

I don't think "Paganism" has a position on pornography as there are too many vary different religions under the Pagan umbrella -- and they are so many different issues involved in "pornography."  Since few Pagan religions consider the human body or sex bad or something that should be hidden away, few Pagan religions are going to object to porn on the basis that it is pictures of naked people having sex. However, there are other issues surrounding pornography such that the fact that the porn industry is often very exploitive, etc. that some Pagan religions and some Pagans may object to even if they have no problems with pictures of naked people having sex.

I agree with RandallS on this
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« Reply #8: August 25, 2009, 11:35:33 am »

However, there are other issues surrounding pornography such that the fact that the porn industry is often very exploitive, etc. that some Pagan religions and some Pagans may object to even if they have no problems with pictures of naked people having sex.
That's pretty much my position.  My issues with porn are mostly to do with worker's rights, industry conditions etc.

Like people have said though, I think that's an individual position.  I'm not sure there's that much of a spiritual aspect to this issue, aside from everything being holistic.
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« Reply #9: August 25, 2009, 04:28:24 pm »

Since the understanding of what Paganism is or.. is not has been mentioned, I sit here wondering...

Is it that you look for a religion that Allows it? Help you feel you aren't breaking some rule or such?
plus, I always wonder what this Need is in people to feel they have to search for a religion or need one in their life.

I totally get what you're thinking, just let me tell you that I'm not like that. I'm not looking for a religion that allows porn (in this specific case), that would make me an idiot, which I'm not.
But as I said, I'd really like to know what's the "pagan point of view" towards porn (for, I think, obvious reasons), but just as much as I'm interested in knowing a lot of things more.
I've been trying to live a more pagan lifestyle 'cause I feel in my heart that I'm pagan, therefore, I think that I should know as much as I can about pagan points of view (in general).
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« Reply #10: August 25, 2009, 06:15:31 pm »

... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

I have no problem with it whatsoever. I was raised christian and made to believe it was the ultimate sin to even mention it haha, but I have grown up to see the truth. I have even written papers on defending pornography. It is a right to do what you want with your body. There are a lot of porn stars that think it a great profession. It really comes down to if you don't feel right about watching or making pornography. Some people are not like that sexually. There are romantics that think it tacky. There is even a feminist thing going on about exploting women, when women porn stars enjoy being in this industry. If you don't like it then that's cool, but don't force your beliefs on others.

Besides, I don't really associate paganism and extreme sexuality together. Paganism is more about loving yourself and your life and so on. Doesn't mean that all pagans are horny freaks. Sex is just another thing that makes people happy. What comes with sex is a bit more private unless you're making a video of it of course haha
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« Reply #11: August 25, 2009, 06:36:40 pm »

But as I said, I'd really like to know what's the "pagan point of view" towards porn (for, I think, obvious reasons), but just as much as I'm interested in knowing a lot of things more.

You're not going to find a "the pagan point of view" on anything, because no such thing exists.  There's no reason to believe that the dozens of different pagan religions will agree on any point - and in the case of porn, I suspect you won't find more than half of them who think it's a subject that has particular religious input at all.

The best you're likely to get for a generalisation is "Many pagan religions believe that freedom of sexuality is important or that sexuality is sacred.  This may mean that some people will interpret them to say that consensually conducted porn is fine; this may also mean that some people will interpret them to say that commercialising sexuality is wrong."

The most I can say religiously about porn is (Kemetic side) "ancient erotic art exists" and (Feri side) "your sex is yours".
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« Reply #12: August 25, 2009, 08:00:00 pm »

I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography

I can't speak to all Pagans, or even all Wiccans, but speaking for myself (and I am Wiccan)...

The Charge of the Goddess says that all acts of pleasure are sacred to the gods, and I like that idea. I enjoy erotica (both written and visual). My only issues with the modern porn industry is that it seems to be terribly exploitative AND most of it is geared towards male enjoyment. I tend towards written erotica because much of that is geared towards female enjoyment.

If that's confusing, I can boil it down. I'm all for healthy, joyful expressions of sex. I'm not an exhibitionist, but I like erotica for it's voyeuristic thrill. But I can't support anything that doesn't portray a healthy, joyful expression of sex and I think that's where much modern porn falls.

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« Reply #13: August 25, 2009, 11:03:03 pm »

 Smiley Thanks to everyone who's answered already.
I see that opinions vary and that there's no such thing as a "pagan point of view"... there are lots of similarities in most opinions given here though...
Again, thanks! Grin
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« Reply #14: August 27, 2009, 12:04:00 pm »

I'm sort of new in paganism and there are still lots of things I don't know about it and that I'm trying to find out.
I really need to know what is the position and point of view of paganism (wiccans, feri tradition followers, etc.) towards pornography, and I'm not talking about just watching it but more like making it or being part of it... Religions like Judaism, Catholicism and Islamism are pretty clear about letting you know that porn is wrong and evil; personally I don't believe so, and I'd really like to know what paganism thinks about it.

Paganism is a very personal set of religions. They reflect, enhance and celebrate who we are as a person, who we want to be and helps us on our way to figuring out who we are. Which is one of the many reasons you won't find any diehard rules about what you should and should not do.

So I guess the question is, how do you feel about porn? Not how are you supposed to feel about it because of what your religion dictates, but how do you as a person feel about it? Do you - like others in the thread - have no problem with the idea of porn itself but dislike the industry and what it does to people? Or do you believe that porn can be damaging to your relationships? Does it excite you or does it have no effect on you.

Paganism's morality and rules vary by person which means you will always find personal opinion (based on experiences of the person) but you won't find a list of things you can and can't do or something bad will happen.
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