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« Reply #90: November 09, 2010, 12:54:01 pm »

I really haven't had much to say that hasn't been said by anyone else- there was a bit rolling around in my brain this morning, on Brighid/Danu, and a little more concretely on my idea of where you guys are at. I'll have to sit down and try to make it coherent. Smiley

Alright, I tried! We'll see if it makes any sense outside my head. Maybe it will be of some use.

I don't work with Danu anymore, but there was a time that I was trying to build a relationship, and I had a really hard time of it. I know some people see her as an earth mother sort, but to me she has always had her roots in the water; not the sea, but deep, deep water. Dark and still, the furthest depths of the well of knowledge, the primodrial water from which the (Irish) gods sprang. She felt vast and quiet and distant. The feeling I was left with was that she was too big, too ancient, to really interact with. She could not deal with humanity- we were too small and easy to break.

At any rate, I've been following along with the Brighid of the Stars phenomenon, and the connections between Brighid and Danu, as well as the idea that Brighid is only one of the Lady's selves, expressions, has been rolling around in my head. And the thought that has been forming is this: (bear with me- coherency levels appear to be dropping somewhat, but I am doing my best to stabilize them.)

In the beginning there was the Lady, right? Creatrix, forge, galaxies, etcetera. I see her as an inherent plurality- she is not one, she is many and one.

So then there were people. People are small and fragile, and can only see pieces, and so those pieces become her selves. They are not quite as many as the Lady, but they are still mutli-faceted. As they interact with people, they change, and become less many. They are all distinct, but some are more capable of being themselves and each other at once. Because they were all together the Lady, they can be the Lady again, but their interactions with humanity have changed them.

I feel like even after those multiple selves became individual, there was still a great part of the Lady that was too big, too powerful, to interact with people, and that with this recognition of Brighid of the Stars, you're getting a glimpse of her. You've pulled together enough of the pieces of her selves to see where they are one and many. And I feel like this Mystery that you're moving towards is that convergence point, where the Lady and the many Brighids and Sulis and whoever else can all be themselves and each other and one at the same time.

That was probably clear as concrete. Cheesy
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« Reply #91: November 09, 2010, 01:29:08 pm »

I'm going to be ruminating on what you've said for awhile. A few things stuck out, and I'll concentrate on those.

I don't work with Danu anymore, but there was a time that I was trying to build a relationship, and I had a really hard time of it. I know some people see her as an earth mother sort, but to me she has always had her roots in the water; not the sea, but deep, deep water. Dark and still, the furthest depths of the well of knowledge, the primodrial water from which the (Irish) gods sprang. She felt vast and quiet and distant. The feeling I was left with was that she was too big, too ancient, to really interact with. She could not deal with humanity- we were too small and easy to break.

Danu to me has been an Earth/Water Mother, a sort of liminal (amphibian?) goddess, of water that wells up from the land. She evokes a very specific feeling inside me that's different from any other Earth Mother I've worked with. She's very... quiet. The only way I hear her is by listening to the silence in between dripping water. I mentioned this when I first described my Star/Dark/Spiral goddess, but the earthy old wetness of caves, of hidden spaces inside the earth. Not a goddess of light, fire, or the sun (which is what's making it hard to make the connection between her and Brighid, but I'm getting some clues on how that could happen). A goddess of potential, and very slow transformation.

Also, someone mentioned earlier (in this thread or another) that there were some deities who were just older than others. This is the sense I get about Danu. That her realm is inhuman and isn't contingent upon our existence. Something old and deep and primordial. Maybe even the goddess of that exact chemical mixture required for life in that primordial soup.

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In the beginning there was the Lady, right? Creatrix, forge, galaxies, etcetera. I see her as an inherent plurality- she is not one, she is many and one.

I like that. I'm having some struggle with the idea of there being on indivisible creative being... but that's not exactly what this is. There's a plurality within our Lady, you're right. The interplay of a lot of different forces, but they're all interrelated.

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They are all distinct, but some are more capable of being themselves and each other at once. Because they were all together the Lady, they can be the Lady again, but their interactions with humanity have changed them.

Thank you for this last sentence. I need a spirituality where deity is shaped by us as much as we are shaped by deity.

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I feel like even after those multiple selves became individual, there was still a great part of the Lady that was too big, too powerful, to interact with people, and that with this recognition of Brighid of the Stars, you're getting a glimpse of her. You've pulled together enough of the pieces of her selves to see where they are one and many. And I feel like this Mystery that you're moving towards is that convergence point, where the Lady and the many Brighids and Sulis and whoever else can all be themselves and each other and one at the same time.

That was probably clear as concrete. Cheesy

Really clear and helpful, actually. I think that's a key part of the Mystery or Mysteries we're dealing with.

I have to keep telling myself that Mysteries don't need to always make rational sense. Sometimes, as much as I value my intelligence, I wish I could flip off the left side of my brain every once in a while. Sad
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« Reply #92: November 09, 2010, 01:31:02 pm »

That was probably clear as concrete. Cheesy

That's just about exactly what I've been thinking, in between some interesting "heeeeey, that didn't sound like me...." things.
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« Reply #93: November 09, 2010, 01:40:05 pm »

Not a goddess of light, fire, or the sun (which is what's making it hard to make the connection between her and Brighid, but I'm getting some clues on how that could happen).

It's pretty well attested that the Dagda is the father of Brighid, at least in the Irish lore; I've heard here and there that some consider Danu to be Brighid's mother, and that always resonated with me.

The Dagda is the Red Fire of Knowledge; he is the fire of lust and appetite and storms. He is wild but not uncontrolled. Danu is the deep, silent water; she is the womb of the gods, and potentially existence. Brighid is both of these things. She holds the spark of life from her father, she nurtures and heals with the waters of her mother. Both fire and water are needed to create, and she is them both.

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« Reply #94: November 09, 2010, 01:44:37 pm »

It's pretty well attested that the Dagda is the father of Brighid, at least in the Irish lore; I've heard here and there that some consider Danu to be Brighid's mother, and that always resonated with me.

I know next to nothing about the Dagda and actually have no UPG for him at all - not even a flicker when I think about his name, which is pretty rare for me and a deity - so I'll definitely need to look more into that. It's really strange for me to think of Brighid having parents, but then again I came to her through this whole Brighid of the Stars thing, not through traditional mythology. Smiley

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Just my two cents. Smiley

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« Reply #95: November 09, 2010, 01:48:56 pm »

It's really strange for me to think of Brighid having parents, but then again I came to her through this whole Brighid of the Stars thing, not through traditional mythology. Smiley

Well, Brighid, daughter of the Dagda and Danu, is not Brighid of the Stars. Brighid is one of the Lady's expressions- herself and the Lady at the same time- and maybe she didn't have parents before she interacted with humanity, but she does now. Smiley

I think when you don't have a body, the nature of self is much more fluid. Flesh has a way of mucking things up. Cheesy
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« Reply #96: November 09, 2010, 02:08:13 pm »

I'm not really involved in the Brighid of the Stars phenomenon that's swept through you folks the past few days- it all resonates, to be sure, but not as... powerfully, I guess? I have this innate feeling that this is not my way to her- this is not my Brighid. But that's not why I wanted to chime in. Smiley

This is where I feel as well. I decided to throw in my lot with Cailleach and a duality between her and Brighid (as the Bride <- imagine the fancy tick above the i), who may be one part of this Lady, just not the whole. I feel that right now I'm working with this very primal, earthy, wet/damp thing that brings the snow and storms, and is also Sovereignty. In fact where I feel right now is almost exactly described in this off-beat poem I wrote just before Samhuinn (nice link here!-NWS). There's an element of... purification? Re-forging? That I'm just not feeling, but I wonder if thats just because it's not the right time of year yet for me.

But, I'm still going to stick around and see where it goes. I'm starting to wonder again if the oracle I got didn't just mean gods, but a group of people. Like you guys.  Cheesy
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« Reply #97: November 09, 2010, 02:12:06 pm »

I think when you don't have a body, the nature of self is much more fluid. Flesh has a way of mucking things up. Cheesy

Just to let you and everyone else know, this entire adventure is the reason I'm behind on my novel and my homework. My productivity for everything non-Brighid related seems to have been shot for the past few days. All I want to do is sit around and talk about the nature of deity! Oy...

Anyway, I like thinking of 'self' as being fluid, especially for deities. That makes a lot of sense to me.
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Just to let you and everyone else know, this entire adventure is the reason I'm behind on my novel and my homework. My productivity for everything non-Brighid related seems to have been shot for the past few days. All I want to do is sit around and talk about the nature of deity! Oy...

If it helps, me too.
I have trouble falling asleep at night, because my brain wont stop thinking about all of this here.  Cheesy
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« Reply #99: November 09, 2010, 02:38:35 pm »

If it helps, me too.
I have trouble falling asleep at night, because my brain wont stop thinking about all of this here.  Cheesy

Nor mine. And I've got too many things in my head that won't let go:

Soul whispers to Heart,
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Wind and sky; lightning grants an essential spark.
Ozone so thick it can be walked upon, crackling rock and brush alike.

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Find the Core, find the Heat.
Mold it into something unimaginable.
Fling it skyward.

Ocean calls as it falls, "I will catch you here."
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The center is opened, the way is clear.
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« Reply #100: November 09, 2010, 02:48:40 pm »

Nor mine. And I've got too many things in my head that won't let go:

Soul whispers to Heart,
"Dance with me."

Whirling, whirling through thunder and cloud,
Wind and sky; lightning grants an essential spark.
Ozone so thick it can be walked upon, crackling rock and brush alike.

Fingers lacing down, down into the Earth.
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Mold it into something unimaginable.
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« Reply #101: November 09, 2010, 03:13:51 pm »

Please, please share! If not here, then somewhere!
Will do, but not until I've caught up on the rest of TC and done a few other things, since it could get long.

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« Reply #102: November 09, 2010, 03:22:44 pm »

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I should make an extra post for it - oh no, not another thread! Wink

I suggested that a few pages back too. We definitely need some way to collect all this and organize it. (Wikispace? Blogger?)
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« Reply #103: November 09, 2010, 03:30:29 pm »

I'm not really involved in the Brighid of the Stars phenomenon that's swept through you folks the past few days- it all resonates, to be sure, but not as... powerfully, I guess? I have this innate feeling that this is not my way to her- this is not my Brighid.
Exactly that, and I'm glad/relieved I'm not the only one.  I think you and I (and Rin, though she seems a bit closer to it) are in very much the same place for this - enough connection/resonance to have things to learn and things to offer, but not of it.

I didn't realize you and I had so much overlap in our personal pantheons - when I make my "deity individuation" post I'll include a footnote listing any I don't mention in the main body of it, so you can see it too.

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« Reply #104: November 09, 2010, 03:38:02 pm »

I suggested that a few pages back too. We definitely need some way to collect all this and organize it. (Wikispace? Blogger?)

I thought about wordpress, they have a theme that can be used for shared blogging.
Why dont I set up a test-blog there and we can play a bit first to see if it works?


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